Are we honestly thinking that Dooku can take Revan now? Revan was a Sith Master, proving that he was the strongest sith of his time. Dooku was never even close to the strongest sith of his time. And as for his dueling skills, Revan soundly defeated Malak in every lightsaber duel they ever had. Including the last one.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Are we honestly thinking that Dooku can take Revan now? Revan was a Sith Master, proving that he was the strongest sith of his time.
Yeah, why not? Revan wasn't strongest sith of his time - Vitiate was.
And as for his dueling skills, Revan soundly defeated Malak in every lightsaber duel they ever had. Including the last one.
And what? Dooku was on par with Mace, and was able to hold his own, against Yoda.
Characters from games and comics are overrated.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Are we honestly thinking that Dooku can take Revan now? Revan was a Sith Master, proving that he was the strongest sith of his time. Dooku was never even close to the strongest sith of his time. And as for his dueling skills, Revan soundly defeated Malak in every lightsaber duel they ever had. Including the last one.
and was able to hold his own, against Yoda
Originally posted by Darth_Sadow1
Dooku was never even close to the strongest sith of his time.
Given that there were only four other Sith Lords active during the Count's lifetime, this isn't a point against him. He's at least stronger than Maul and Savage, and likely Tenebrous.
Originally posted by Arhael
Force handled most powerful known Force user of all time on several occasions.
When did Dooku fight Abeloth?
Originally posted by Arhael
To be precise in film they were even. Yoda did not outperform him in any way.
The script, novelization, and logical inference indicate otherwise.
When did Dooku fight Abeloth?Lol. I meant chosen one. 🙂 Force handling even angered Anakin in CW should give at least some credit to him. 😄
The script, novelization, and logical inference indicate otherwise.Visually Dooku was not driven back and he attacked Yoda even more than other way around. Film>Script+novelization+logical inference.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan's best feats are his lightning absorption. Other than that though, I don't see anything that eclipses Dooku's skills with a lightsaber, or something that would let him beat Dooku with the Force.Can you believe that today I saw a dude saying that Revan was the 2nd strongest Force User in history behind Luke? Lol, what a joke.
Does Revan have feats now? Or is he still unknown? Other than having "charisma", I don't see nothing much from him.
Originally posted by Zett
Yeah, why not? Revan wasn't strongest sith of his time - Vitiate was.
Originally posted by Zett
And what? Dooku was on par with Mace, and was able to hold his own, against Yoda.
Mace is good because of Vaapad and I do not buy this Dooku = Mace argument. Mace, during his prime, put Darth Sidious on his @ss, which Dooku could never do. Yoda is certainly BIG THING in the mythos. However, Yoda is very passive in his fighting approach. But Revan is not.
Seriously, you HAVE to be on the level of Darth Sidious or Lord Vitiate to handle Revan singlehandedly OR in a Strike Team comprised of very strong individuals.
Originally posted by Zett
Characters from games and comics are overrated.
Originally posted by Arhael
I'll give you hint. Dooku stalemated the stronger combatant of his time in lightsaber combat and Force handled most powerful known Force user of all time on several occasions.
And if Anakin is the most powerful force user of all time - you are SO DEAD WRONG. Anakin had the POTENTIAL to become the most powerful but he did not got the chance to fully UNLOCK his POTENTIAL or put it to EFFECTIVE USE. Yes, Anakin did manage to use his BRUTE STRENGTH and MASSIVE RESERVES to subdue Dooku. But this does not proves that only Anakin could handle Dooku. The list isn't small actually.
Originally posted by Arhael
To be precise in film they were even. Yoda did not outperform him in any way. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMace is good because of Vaapad and I do not buy this Dooku = Mace argument. Mace, during his prime, put Darth Sidious on his @ss, which Dooku could never do.
A>B>C argument?
Dooku disposed of Obi-Wan with a flick of his wrist. I personally don't see Mace disposing of Obi-Wan with such ridiculous ease.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, Anakin did manage to use his BRUTE STRENGTH and MASSIVE RESERVES to subdue Dooku. But this does not proves that only Anakin could handle Dooku.
Yes but his ridiculous amount natural power in the force did give him incredible strength and force reserves. So I also wouldn't start arguing that just because Anakin defeated Dooku in close combat, that anyone who is a powerful saber duelist in the mythos could do likewise.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, Dooku did held his own for a while but HE KNEW that he had to FLEE or Yoda would have subdued him.
Still Yoda was the most powerful Jedi in the PT/OT era. Seemingly superior to Sidious in combat.
So I really don't think people give Dooku the credit he deserves for briefly holding his own against Yoda.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes. Though this guy came much later in to the picture. 3 centuries is BIG TIME.
Fair enough. They're in the same era though.
Have you seen the new quotes for Vitiate?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
indeedWell, got the opportunity to flip through the newly-released The Old Republic Encyclopedia. My initial impression is that it's one of the finest reference works ever released under the Star Wars brand name; some 400 pages long and brimming with both text and images.
Some tidbits that some of you may find interesting:
[list]
[*]Of KotOR 2's Sith triumvirate, Kreia and Sion each receive one mention in the book, with Nihilus supreme at a total of 3
[*]The Sith Empire is said to field "millions" of troops across "thousands" of planets
[*]The Republic Navy is said to consist of "hundreds" of fleets
[*]The fate of both Revan and VitiateSpoiler:
is left ambiguous
[/list]With respect to Vitiate, he is frequently described as "supremely powerful" (an appellation he shares with [Thanaton?]), "godlike", and an "avatar" of the dark side, not to mention "brilliant", "genius", "mastermind", etc. Page 148 explicitly refers to him as "history's most powerful dark side master." The book also claims it took a "fraction" of his powers to corrupt Revan and Malak "in mere moments."
Further details on his ritual are available: 8,000 Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas/Nathema to participate the ritual, which lasted ten days. Vitiate "orchestrated the sorcery" and the planet was "consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see." The Emperor's Voice is said to "wield[s] the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him."
Enjoy.
@Nephthys
Thanks for the share. To be honest, I am not surprised. Once again! My assessment is turning out to be correct. 😉
TOR lore IS redefining Star Wars mythos. And this is actually a refreshment for the mythos.
I wonder! How much of a bad@ss Hero of Tython is. He may be as good as Luke or possibly better? 🤺 (He certainly needs decent amout of screen time or novels)
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A>B>C argument?Dooku disposed of Obi-Wan with a flick of his wrist. I personally don't see Mace disposing of Obi-Wan with such ridiculous ease.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes but his ridiculous amount natural power in the force did give him incredible strength and force reserves. So I also wouldn't start arguing that just because Anakin defeated Dooku in close combat, that anyone who is a powerful saber duelist in the mythos could do likewise.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Still Yoda was the most powerful Jedi in the PT/OT era. Seemingly superior to Sidious in combat.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So I really don't think people give Dooku the credit he deserves for briefly holding his own against Yoda.
Point is that their used to be a time when Dooku looked special. However, this is no longer the case now.