Onslaught vs JLA

Originally posted by carver9
This is retarded because both Hulk and Superman failed at achieving things where the strength was needed. Neither of these two or anyone else have limtiless strength. Just because high tier beings never failed to lift anything doesn't mean they have limitless strength, especially when there are people.that are stronger than them. Example, Zeus proved he was stronger than Hulk...Prime proved that he was stronger than Superman. How can someone be stronger than another person with infinite strength?

Originally posted by country1000
Superman DOES NOT have dynamic strength. Not holding back does not make him any stronger. He does not want to hurt NORMAL people, he has went all out against people that are as strong or stronger and got beat. YOU just joined jake by saying that superman has unlimited strength or no known limit. There are people on KMC that KNOW superman and collect his comics too. Dont think that you have ALL the knowledge on superman buddy.

The rant about him struggling and then spin a circle and beats some tough new opponent applies to EVERY hero ever created. thor, batman, captain america, spiderman, the x-men, the avengers and HUNDREDS of others do it nearly EVERY issue.

For the people that run here stalking carver, it would look better if you all did not run here to defend superman LIKE YOU DO IN every THREAD superman is in. Carver is right, EVERY TIME hulk gets stronger, you come and make superman stronger to match that hulk, i guess if the next hulk gets hit with a ray to make him 5 times stronger than WBH, you all will come claim that superman will enter a state of Warrior Madness or take his dial to 21.

so you'll give hulk the benefit of the doubt when it's been stated in comics, but not superman when it's been stated in comics?

😕

Originally posted by country1000
LOL. I guess prime, one million, all-star and golden age supermen have double unlimited strength..lol. Even a superman writer Dan Jurgens knows better that to think that superman has infinite strength, but i guess they know more about supermen that the writers.lol

dan jurgens hasn't regularly written superman since the 90s, and it was before several upgrades too.

but sure, pretend that applies.

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

Originally posted by -Pr-
so you'll give hulk the benefit of the doubt when it's been stated in comics, but not superman when it's been stated in comics?

😕

dan jurgens hasn't regularly written superman since the 90s, and it was before several upgrades too.

but sure, pretend that applies.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The butthurt is strong in this thread.

Originally posted by country1000
It must be for you to keep hanging around. A hit or hurt dog will always yelp.

I'm not butthurt at all. I have no vested interest over the debate of Superman vs. Hulk outside of trying to be reasonable and bring some sanity to the debate when you have fanboys of either character running down the opposite and ignoring shit they don't like to fuel their agenda. mmm

Hilarious how you basically dismiss all evidence supporting Superman does have dynamic strength, though.

Ultimate Warrior, with his real life dynamic strength and power gifted by several skyfathers by his own words, solos.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Ultimate Warrior, with his real life dynamic strength and power gifted by several skyfathers by his own words, solos.

TAKE THAT PLANE INTO A NOSE DIVE, HULK HOGAN.

Originally posted by country1000
Go look at the scan where superman fought black adam and was not holding back and was no-where close to overpowering BA. There are scans where superman admits that he fights people stronger than him, but he does not give up. This is about wild claims that superman has unlimited strength yet there are a multitude of characters NOTED by writers past and present that are stronger to FAR stronger than superman. Superman CANNOT now or ever get pissed or stop holding back and go from equal to CM to prime, Shaggymans or even Kurse level strength. Hulk has a shot at it though.

So you're just going to pick and choose to serve your argument, and ignore points that either go against it, or just plain refute it?

Suit yourself...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not butthurt at all. I have no vested interest over the debate of Superman vs. Hulk outside of trying to be reasonable and bring some sanity to the debate when you have fanboys of either character running down the opposite and ignoring shit they don't like to fuel their agenda. mmm

Hilarious how you basically dismiss all evidence supporting Superman does have dynamic strength, though.

Originally posted by country1000
What evidence?? A scan of what lex said?? Show me a scan where he starts getting stronger and stronger. Evidence is where its STATED something like this ( superman fights, his body becomes stressed or superman stops holding back and his strength begins to rise, his might increases to unknown levels, he is getting stronger and stronger by the minute, the seconds, woe unto his foe, the outcome is in doubt. A scan of lex words is gold, but when superman says blizarro is stronger that him, shit hits the fan.

That was Emil Hamilton, and Lex. Not just Lex.

Originally posted by country1000
What evidence?? A scan of what lex said?? Show me a scan where he starts getting stronger and stronger. Evidence is where its STATED something like this ( superman fights, his body becomes stressed or superman stops holding back and his strength begins to rise, his might increases to unknown levels, he is getting stronger and stronger by the minute, the seconds, woe unto his foe, the outcome is in doubt. A scan of lex words is gold, but when superman says blizarro is stronger that him, shit hits the fan.

So you're going to arbitrarily decide what counts and what doesn't?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just a pile of nonsense.

lol at that Hulk being above Superman

Just a pile of ignorance on your part...

Mindless Hulk...the Hulk that went toe to toe with Onslaught leeching off of Franklin Richards...would absolutely annihilate Superman physically.

Superman would require a significant sundip to hang with this version of the Hulk...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So you're going to arbitrarily decide what counts and what doesn't?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just a pile of ignorance on your part...

Mindless Hulk...the Hulk that went toe to toe with Onslaught leeching off of Franklin Richards...would absolutely annihilate Superman physically.

Superman would require a significant sundip to hang with this version of the Hulk...

"Absolutely annihilate"?

That's a bit strong, you think, considering Superman's capabilities?

Originally posted by Mindset
Who does this guy think he is, me?!

You should ban him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman does have dynamic strength, and when amped has made the rest of his peers look weaker by comparison.

Also, it's possible to not punch as hard as you're able. Superman and Thor do it all the time.

Supes can amp his strength via sundip...

But he cant just instantly amp up; he can choose not to hold back, but he cant just instantly have dynamically increasing strength...

This isnt precrisis supes who can instantly be as strong as he needs to be to defeat an opponent...

If Supes can dynamically increase his strength, where was that ability when HP Doomsday was beating the hell out of him?

That answer is that he doesnt have that ability...

Mindless Hulk/Onslaught version physically overwhelms Superman a perfect 10/10...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Absolutely annihilate"?

That's a bit strong, you think, considering Superman's capabilities?

Superman is strong...no doubt...but he cant hang with a version of the Hulk that had no restraint on his ever-increasing strength.

Supes absolutely needs a sundip against this version of the Hulk...without it he gets wrecked.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Superman is strong...no doubt...but he cant hang with a version of the Hulk that had no restraint on his ever-increasing strength.

Supes absolutely needs a sundip against this version of the Hulk...without it he gets wrecked.

I'd have to disagree with you on that, respectfully.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Supes can amp his strength via sundip...

But he cant just instantly amp up; he can choose not to hold back, but he cant just instantly have dynamically increasing strength...

This isnt precrisis supes who can instantly be as strong as he needs to be to defeat an opponent...

If Supes can dynamically increase his strength, where was that ability when HP Doomsday was beating the hell out of him?

That answer is that he doesnt have that ability...

Mindless Hulk/Onslaught version physically overwhelms Superman a perfect 10/10...

Being beaten by HP Doomsday does nothing to disprove the existence of dynamic strength.