Onslaught vs JLA

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about when Superman decided to resort to murder. I'm talking about when Superman stopped pulling his punches. Of course, I agree Superman realized that the fight was only going to end in death by the time they got to Metropolis. But that realization is not an accurate measurement of the relative power of his blows.

He had been fighting about as hard as he could against Doomsday for so long and he hadn't gone down (indeed, Superman was knocked out twice). Superman took the gloves off early on and wasn't pulling his punches early on. This wore him down; made patently obvious by him being knocked out and hurting his fists when striking Doomsday. Before the final issue's epic clash, he was clearly trying to hit him as hard as he could (as hard as he could in that exhausted state anyway). By that final issue, they were both dying. Superman pulled those last iotas of strength he could (leading to his own death) in the final few attacks.

If you disagree with this, then I can only imagine you believe that Superman's final few attacks were the most powerful he threw throughout the entire fight specifically (and only) because of his killing intent. I think that's garbage. Superman was so tired by then that there was no way those last few attacks could measure up to a fresher Superman's all-out attacks, attacks he had been throwing before the final clash.

Usually, though, when Superman changes his demeanor like that, his power increases as a result--OWAW is an example. Not saying that's what happened during DoS per se, just throwing it out there.

Originally posted by Galan007
I was talking about Superman's 'bloodlusted' mindset--a mindset he only shifted to in Metropolis. Before that, he may not have been pulling his punches (which is arguable), but he also did not want to kill Doomsday. It took Supes a while to figure out that to stop DD he had to kill him (hence the change in his demeanor.) That's all I'ze saying. Pretty sure we agree there.

Usually, though, when Superman changes his demeanor like that, his power increases as a result--OWAW is an example. Not saying that's what happened during DoS per se, just throwing it out there.

My only point here is that the end of the fight was more Superman's grave realization that he and/or Doomsday were going to die. It was less a conscious shift of mindset leading to an ambiguous release of "power limiters" that made his last blows the most powerful ever. And I mainly believe that because a fresher Superman was trying to hit him as hard as he could before the realization/decision that this was a fight to the death.

I disagree. I do think his mindset/demeanor shifted. He realized that this was the one enemy that he had to kill.

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree. I do think his mindset/demeanor shifted. He realized that this was the one enemy that he had to kill.

I concur

as do i.

I also agree.

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree. I do think his mindset/demeanor shifted. He realized that this was the one enemy that he had to kill.

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you have to agree with that, but at the same time you can't ignore that superman had to put in effort to pull it off.

he wasn't using the same force he uses on say rampage to bead DOS doomsday to the point of killing him due to the fact dd would never yield and superman at that point was the only hero not smashed up to tag himself out in order to figure out a more humanitarian solution, but he was hitting him hard enough to kill a being with a physical match to himself.

i cant make out what you're trying to say there, bro.

i'll just cut the unnecessary and re-word it:

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman was hitting doomsday hard enough to kill a being with a physical make up similar to his own if not surpassing it.

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree. I do think his mindset/demeanor shifted. He realized that this was the one enemy that he had to kill.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
I concur

Originally posted by leonidas
as do i.

Originally posted by Juntai
I also agree.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
uhuh sneer crackers ahah

😆 C'mon sometimes you are right sometimes people disagree^^, just a game... ehm... comics! 😄