Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Supes can amp his strength via sundip...But he cant just instantly amp up; he can choose not to hold back, but he cant just instantly have dynamically increasing strength...
This isnt precrisis supes who can instantly be as strong as he needs to be to defeat an opponent...
If Supes can dynamically increase his strength, where was that ability when HP Doomsday was beating the hell out of him?
That answer is that he doesnt have that ability...
Mindless Hulk/Onslaught version physically overwhelms Superman a perfect 10/10...
Lol...somebody with sense. It's insane that they think Superman can hang against this version of Hulk, completely insane. I can post numerous of showings where Superman admits this person is too strong for him...this never applies to Hulk...especially that version of Hulk.
Superman admitting someone is stronger than him.
Thanks for the scan abhilegend. Back on topic...the version of Hulk that fought Onslaught would wreck this Kryptonian...the version of Hulk that ripped through the Dark Dimension would do the same. Superman is a physical power house but he doesn't have unlimited strength but neither does Hulk.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
All the times Hulk lost? You want me to recite those? Especially when he could have just amped to become stronger, tougher, heal quicker, etc?This line of logic is retarded.
I know Hulk lost fights but he didn't lose them because he got physically overpowered...the person just performed better. Overpowering someone and outright beating someone are two different things.
Originally posted by carver9
You are missing the point. Was she stronger than him? By the way, I know a lot of people that is physically stronger than Savage Hulk as well.
If you had a point, I'm sure I'd address it.
Cythonna, through implication of the story, was pegged at being a powerful deity capable of battling Rao. So, yes, she was stronger than Superman. Doesn't invalidate him not possessing the ability to grow stronger based on emotional duress.
Just like all the times Hulk's been beat up don't make the instances of him growing stronger not count.
It's a farcical "point" if I ever heard one.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you had a point, I'm sure I'd address it.Cythonna, through implication of the story, was pegged at being a powerful deity capable of battling Rao. So, yes, she was stronger than Superman. Doesn't invalidate him not possessing the ability to grow stronger based on emotional duress.
Just like all the times Hulk's been beat up don't make the instances of him growing stronger not count.
It's a farcical "point" if I ever heard one.
I agree with you, I think Superman can grow stronger (not like Hulk, I just think he takes the cap off when pissed) and that's not my argument. I'm saying neither Superman nor Hulk have unlimited strength. Lol...I don't even know why you replied to my post when it wasn't concerning you since I don't think you think neither of these two have unlimited strength.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you, I think Superman can grow stronger (not like Hulk, I just think he takes the cap off when pissed) and that's not my argument. I'm saying neither Superman nor Hulk have unlimited strength. Lol...I don't even know why you replied to my post when it wasn't concerning you since I don't think you think neither of these two have unlimited strength.
So why even reply with a scan of Superman being overpowered in the first place unless you have issues with Superman being able to grow stronger outside of simply letting loose or sun dipping? It doesn't make the instances of Superman doing so not count nor does it invalidate the statements supporting that he does.
I don't think Superman or Hulk have unlimited strength, you're right in that. I think they've both displayed the potential for ever growing strength with "unlimited potential" and a few abstract feats here and there supporting the idea they might possess such strength, but 9/10, they're not portrayed on that level.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So why even reply with a scan of Superman being overpowered in the first place unless you have issues with Superman being able to grow stronger outside of simply letting loose or sun dipping? It doesn't make the instances of Superman doing so not count nor does it invalidate the statements supporting that he does.I don't think Superman or Hulk have unlimited strength, you're right in that. I think they've both displayed the potential for ever growing strength with "unlimited potential" and a few abstract feats here and there supporting the idea they might possess such strength, but 9/10, they're not portrayed on that level.
I think you just like typing. I agree with you Jake. I post the scan because of a previous debate I had with someone saying Hulk and Superman have unlimited strength when overall, neither does. I agree with them having phenomenal strength but that's as far as I would take it. When it comes to pure potential strength wise...I would put Savage Hulk above pretty much everyone in his tier but that doesn't mean he can beat everyone in his tier...especially someone like Superman, someone that is almost just as strong, tactical, along with additional powers to aid in him overcoming someone like Savage. It's the other Hulks I disagree with but again, this isn't a debate I want to get into, its exhausting.
Like I've stated before, I agree with you and during stressful times, Superman powers does increase just like any hero does and saying that it doesn't is lowballing the character.