Originally posted by Juntai
Except that he not only has a store, but funnells power from the sun more quickly as well depending on emotional state. And he's been found to have no limit, doing things like holding a black hole[pretty well infinite gravity, so much they bend time/space] in the palm of his hand. Still suggesting an dynamic strength, able to stretch into the unknown/limitless.As for Doomsday, Avlon posted the scan many times, I haven't been able to find it yet, but the narration directly stated he gets stronger as he gets madder.
i get where the idea comes from, but your theory would necessitate the ability to show that supes actually somehow channelled more sunlight for the blackhole feat.
i'm not saying some proof doesn't exist, i think the bulk of his showings though are more reflective of what i was saying than of the notion of truly dynamic strength. a case could be made for any character being able to amp their strength via emotional lift. even reg humans can and have done so. supes might channel more energy when angered, but in general, i'm not sure most of his appearances would support that particular theory. i may be wrong, but i'm trying to find the most consistent portrayal.
re: dd--i'd forgotten that scan. it doesn't necessarily refute what i said (both can be true) but regardless.... 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
funny you brought that up. i just saw that book at my local bookstore, along with several others (one where bats and supes first meet) and i wondered at the canonicity of those books. where exactly do they fit in in terms of applicable debate material?
You'd have to ask pr, but if it's official main universe I'd think it should count.
Originally posted by leonidasIt's written by one of the major creative forces driving Superman around that period, Roger Stern (look over the bibliography), so I'd say the reliability of it is rather high not only because of his credibility, but also because passages from there have been copy/pasted into the comics - ie. see Raoul's scan, or this scan, where Superman's powers 'surging' is brought up:
funny you brought that up. i just saw that book at my local bookstore, along with several others (one where bats and supes first meet) and i wondered at the canonicity of those books. where exactly do they fit in in terms of applicable debate material?
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesmongultraining5.jpg
(also the same writer who brought up him only truly going all out at the end against Doomsday).
Originally posted by Galan007Yeah, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about when Superman decided to resort to murder. I'm talking about when Superman stopped pulling his punches. Of course, I agree Superman realized that the fight was only going to end in death by the time they got to Metropolis. But that realization is not an accurate measurement of the relative power of his blows.
I suppose writing it off like that is the easiest way to get around Superman's comment/obvious change in demeanor. /shrug
He had been fighting about as hard as he could against Doomsday for so long and he hadn't gone down (indeed, Superman was knocked out twice). Superman took the gloves off early on and wasn't pulling his punches early on. This wore him down; made patently obvious by him being knocked out and hurting his fists when striking Doomsday. Before the final issue's epic clash, he was clearly trying to hit him as hard as he could (as hard as he could in that exhausted state anyway). By that final issue, they were both dying. Superman pulled those last iotas of strength he could (leading to his own death) in the final few attacks.
If you disagree with this, then I can only imagine you believe that Superman's final few attacks were the most powerful he threw throughout the entire fight specifically (and only) because of his killing intent. I think that's garbage. Superman was so tired by then that there was no way those last few attacks could measure up to a fresher Superman's all-out attacks, attacks he had been throwing before the final clash.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It's written by one of the major creative forces driving Superman around that period, Roger Stern (look over the bibliography), so I'd say the reliability of it is rather high not only because of his credibility, but also because passages from there have been copy/pasted into the comics - ie. see Raoul's scan, or this scan, where Superman's powers 'surging' is brought up:http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesmongultraining5.jpg
(also the same writer who brought up him only truly going all out at the end against Doomsday).
i would agree with you. i don't see why the novels wouldn't be considered applicable. just wasn't sure if there was an 'official' stance on them.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about when Superman decided to resort to murder. I'm talking about when Superman stopped pulling his punches. Of course, I agree Superman realized that the fight was only going to end in death by the time they got to Metropolis. But that realization is not an accurate measurement of the relative power of his blows.He had been fighting about as hard as he could against Doomsday for so long and he hadn't gone down (indeed, Superman was knocked out twice). Superman took the gloves off early on and wasn't pulling his punches early on. This wore him down; made patently obvious by him being knocked out and hurting his fists when striking Doomsday. Before the final issue's epic clash, he was clearly trying to hit him as hard as he could (as hard as he could in that exhausted state anyway). By that final issue, they were both dying. Superman pulled those last iotas of strength he could (leading to his own death) in the final few attacks.
If you disagree with this, then I can only imagine you believe that Superman's final few attacks were the most powerful he threw throughout the entire fight specifically (and only) because of his killing intent. I think that's garbage. Superman was so tired by then that there was no way those last few attacks could measure up to a fresher Superman's all-out attacks, attacks he had been throwing before the final clash.
Fine, ignore my scan then.
Dick.
sneer
