Originally posted by JakeTheBank
More like wow to people acting like Superman doesn't have feats which compare to Hulk.When he obviously does. 😬
To which Hulk because if you are saying that he is anywhere close to WBH then you are also admitting Superman being far stronger than Thor. Like I've stated a thousand times...Savage Hulk is comparable to Superman and Thor going by FEATS...ignoring this is downplaying the character since again, he is in Superman and Thor class. Just because Hulk got an upgrade doesn't mean that his upgrade is applied to every character.
Originally posted by carver9
To which Hulk because if you are saying that he is anywhere close to WBH then you are also admitting Superman being far stronger than Thor. Like I've stated a thousand times...Savage Hulk is comparable to Superman and Thor going by FEATS...ignoring this is downplaying the character since again, he is in Superman and Thor class. Just because Hulk got an upgrade doesn't mean that his upgrade is applied to every character.
Carver, shut up.
This convo is obviously centered around Onslaught Hulk and Superman; don't straw man me, especially when you're not even good at it.
Originally posted by bbrem123I find this comment interesting, as I can't recall very many instances in which modern Superman has tried/needed to lift something, and failed... The guy decides that he needs to pull the earth to another location in order to save it, so he does. He decides that he needs to lift half of an infinite amount of weight just so he can figure shit out, so he does.
he definitely does. WWH and especially WBH operate on a higher level on average then superman in the strength department IMO
When the story calls for it, Superman>ALL. He's proven this time and time again. There's nothing Hulk can do strength-wise that I think would be beyond Superman.
Originally posted by Galan007
I find that comment interesting, as I can't recall very many instances in which modern Superman has tried/needed to lift something, and failed... The guy decides that he needs to pull the earth to another location in order to save it, so he does. He decides that he needs to lift half of an infinite amount of weight just so he can figure shit out, so he does.When the story calls for it, Superman>ALL. He's proven this time and time again. There's nothing Hulk can do strength-wise that I think would be beyond Superman.
This can be said about pretty much any hero though. 😕
Originally posted by Galan007
Very few heroes have proven it as consistently as Superman has, though.Hell Final Crisis flat-out told us that Superman's story is>ALL. That is something that no one else can claim.
I agree, very few can but Thor and Savage Hulk is pretty consistent at this as well...hell, looking at the people Thor has outright defeated in combat shows that what you said can be handed out to some other heros as well, including low tier characters. Doing the impossible is a common thing for well known characters including Superman. This still doesnt take away from the fact that even though Thor has defeated trans tier and abstracts on a consistent bases, Superman has aided in moving planets, and Savage Hulk has wrecked teams, destroyed dimensions and crushed planetary+ objects...this don't take away from them being equals which has been proven time and time again when they face people that's in their tier.
Personally, I see how people would attribute Superman's "aura" as an ability in forum fights; it's been lampshaded and basically outright stated that when there is a crisis or a job that needs doing, Superman has this uncanny ability to rise to the occasion and save the day, often for the simple reason "He's Superman."
I can also see why such an ability, if you choose to believe it is an ability in the conventional sense, can be viewed as plot dependent at best and "writer armor" at worse.
If you boil it down to feats and divorce the metaphysical/aura/story of Superman from them, I honestly don't see how people think that Superman can't compete or beat Hulk. To date, I'd say WBH's planet busting is pretty damn impressive and in anything resembling a physical confrontation, I'm inclined to say Superman gets worked over at best. But if you really think Superman can't compete with or possesses the capability to beat Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk or WWH/Green Scar, well, frankly, you're retarded.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I see how people would attribute Superman's "aura" as an ability in forum fights; it's been lampshaded and basically outright stated that when there is a crisis or a job that needs doing, Superman has this uncanny ability to rise to the occasion and save the day, often for the simple reason "He's Superman."I can also see why such an ability, if you choose to believe it is an ability in the conventional sense, can be viewed as plot dependent at best and "writer armor" at worse.
If you boil it down to feats and divorce the metaphysical/aura/story of Superman from them, I honestly don't see how people think that Superman can't compete or beat Hulk. To date, I'd say WBH's planet busting is pretty damn impressive and in anything resembling a physical confrontation, I'm inclined to say Superman gets worked over at best. But if you really think Superman can't compete with Savage Hulk or Mindless Hulk or WWH/Green Scar, well, frankly, you're retarded.
I agree 100% with this...I know for a FACT that Superman can compete with Savage Hulk (I would personally give Superman the edge against him), WWH, and Mindless Hulk, that's not my argument. You know what my argument is Jake...just read what Naija has been debating against Newjack about. Anybody would be a fool to think that Superman can't give Savage Hulk or WWH a fight...especially when Sentry has done it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAbsolutely... But it was also a shared feat between Hulk and Betty.
To date, I'd say WBH's planet busting is pretty damn impressive and in anything resembling a physical confrontation
Speaking of Betty, the fact that she was able to weather everything Hulk dished out, really makes me wonder how much lasting damage Hulk would be able to cause to Supes..?
Originally posted by Galan007
Absolutely... But it was also a shared feat between Hulk and Betty.Speaking of Betty, the fact that she was able to weather everything Hulk dished out, really makes me wonder how much lasting damage Hulk would be able to cause to Supes..?
Hulk and Betty were equals during that fight...that's why she was able to take what Hulk was dishing out. That's different than Superman taking it since this version of Hulk was on a different level.
Originally posted by CosmicCometWas that the specifics of her durability? Cool beans. I only read that [terrible] arc once.
she weathered it because she was wished to be his equal though.So hulk could fight her at full power without fear of badly hurting her.
Regardless, I think if Supes were in, say, his OWAW mindset, he could give WBH one hell of a fight.