Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman being a possible direct descendant of Rao explains a lot of what you say Jake.
True. I'm torn on that theory, though. I really like the lore of Krypton and its theology, but at the same time, explicitly or implying that he really is a demi-god or deity kinda ruins Superman for me. I agree he should have godlike strength and power, but he should still be mortal...for all intents and purposes.
Originally posted by Galan007If Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman or even Ultraman was DCs Flagship hero, they would do the same thing under the writers. If superman was the evil bad guy, 95% of the time, he would lose against the hero, even against some he should crush.
I find this comment interesting, as I can't recall very many instances in which modern Superman has tried/needed to lift something, and failed... The guy decides that he needs to pull the earth to another location in order to save it, so he does. He decides that he needs to lift half of an infinite amount of weight just so he can figure shit out, so he does.When the story calls for it, Superman>ALL. He's proven this time and time again. There's nothing Hulk can do strength-wise that I think would be beyond Superman.
Originally posted by country1000
If Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman or even Ultraman was DCs Flagship hero, they would do the same thing under the writers. If superman was the evil bad guy, 95% of the time, he would lose against the hero, even against some he should crush.
When will you give credit where credit is due and stop blaming "the writers"?
This has got to be some of the most horrible thought processes I've seen, and this is coming from a guy who's "debated" with the likes of h1 and Carver for multiple pages.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
True. I'm torn on that theory, though. I really like the lore of Krypton and its theology, but at the same time, explicitly or implying that he really is a demi-god or deity kinda ruins Superman for me. I agree he should have godlike strength and power, but he should still be mortal...for all intents and purposes.
I like plausible explanations, usually.
Superman being as variable as he can be, makes more sense to say that he has a godly reservoir of power to dip into, on top of his normal battery like storage of solar energy. Rather than saying he can arbitrarily reach levels that his family and such cannot--does he have some reality warping powers whereas they don't? that's the kind of questions that come up.
The only one who should be allowed to do whatever he wants with no explanation other than being himself, is lord Steven Rogers.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I like plausible explanations, usually.Superman being as variable as he can be, makes more sense to say that he has a godly reservoir of power to dip into, on top of his normal battery like storage of solar energy.
The only one who should be allowed to do whatever he wants with no explanation other than being himself, is lord Steven Rogers.
Praise be to He Who Wields the Shield.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankCarver and h1 got enough sense to know that superman does not have infinite strength, so people can debate against them. But you jake, you cry lowball when people challenge your flawed logic. One post you claim supes has infinite strength, then slip in another thread and say that he can MATCH certain characters and then slip YET AGAIN in another thread contradicting what you say in the others. Which is it jake? You claim that superman and thor are peers or that the strength difference is small, yet when certain hulks are PROVER far stronger than thor, you come crying that superman is on those hulks level???? h1 himself has never hung himself like that in such a short time. But please keep it up, a good laugh is always good for the soul.. THANKS.
When will you give credit where credit is due and stop blaming "the writers"?This has got to be some of the most horrible thought processes I've seen, and this is coming from a guy who's "debated" with the likes of h1 and Carver for multiple pages.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
OK... Let's try and give the JLA a little more horsepower we'll go with.Onslaught
vs
Superman
Wonder Woman
Martian Man Hunter
Hawkman
Flash
GL (Kyle)
Aquaman
Batman
Red Tornado
Black Adam
Captian Marvel
Dr. Fate
Zatanna
Plastic Man
Wow... talk about more firepower. Dr. Fate would arguably beat Galactus, depending on which Dr. Fate you're talking about.
Originally posted by country1000
If Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman or even Ultraman was DCs Flagship hero, they would do the same thing under the writers. If superman was the evil bad guy, 95% of the time, he would lose against the hero, even against some he should crush.
Ultraman lifted infinite weight as well but he soloed it whereas Superman did it with help. Ultraman>Superman.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisWhat carver mean is that superman did not lift it by himself. You cannot say that he could while there is no proof to back up a claim, on the other hand, ultraman DID it by himself no question, yet not one of them has infinite strength as people ( with sense ) know.
Once again logic defies you. If I pick up a mattress with my brother to make it easier for myself, does it necessarily mean I can't lift it by myself?
Originally posted by country1000
What carver mean is that superman did not lift it by himself. You cannot say that he could while there is no proof to back up a claim, on the other hand, ultraman DID it by himself no question, yet not one of them has infinite strength as people ( with sense ) know.
If you look at how Superman and Ultraman have stacked up against each other, your statement would make no sense. Not only that, but that feat is not the only one in which Superman has lifted infinite weight.
Originally posted by country1000A lot of nothing here. Run along.
Superman DOES NOT have dynamic strength. Not holding back does not make him any stronger. He does not want to hurt NORMAL people, he has went all out against people that are as strong or stronger and got beat. YOU just joined jake by saying that superman has unlimited strength or no known limit. There are people on KMC that KNOW superman and collect his comics too. Dont think that you have ALL the knowledge on superman buddy.The rant about him struggling and then spin a circle and beats some tough new opponent applies to EVERY hero ever created. thor, batman, captain america, spiderman, the x-men, the avengers and HUNDREDS of others do it nearly EVERY issue.
For the people that run here stalking carver, it would look better if you all did not run here to defend superman LIKE YOU DO IN every THREAD superman is in. Carver is right, EVERY TIME hulk gets stronger, you come and make superman stronger to match that hulk, i guess if the next hulk gets hit with a ray to make him 5 times stronger than WBH, you all will come claim that superman will enter a state of Warrior Madness or take his dial to 21.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
I find this comment interesting, as I can't recall very many instances in which modern Superman has tried/needed to lift something, and failed... The guy decides that he needs to pull the earth to another location in order to save it, so he does. He decides that he needs to lift half of an infinite amount of weight just so he can figure shit out, so he does.When the story calls for it, Superman>ALL. He's proven this time and time again. There's nothing Hulk can do strength-wise that I think would be beyond Superman.