Thor vs Worldbreaker Hulk (Slugfest)

Originally posted by carver9
Just terrible.

Just because Wonderman has giving Thor fits.

Rhino has given Hulk fits.

Colossus has given Gladiator fits.

Ironman has given Surfer fits (hell, Rhino did well against Surfer as well)

Piotro/Colossus has given Juggernaut fits.

Namor has given Sentry fits.

This doesn't put these people in the same tier...its comics and its how Things tend to play out to make the story interesting. With the fights that you are talking about with Rhino vs Hulk,how did the fight go...was Rhino winning? Did he show that he was stronger than Hulk?

Abomination is a Hulk villain...of coarse he would give Hulk a fight and at one point he was created to be twice as strong as Savage Hulk but the thing about this is, Abomination loses to the Hulk because the Hulk is stronger.

Kind of like Tutinax and the Thor fight. Thor has gotten completely DOMINATED by Tutinax twice. Tutinax doesn't have the fts to suggest he could hang with Savage Hulk, let alone WWH who would outright destroy him and ESPECIALLY WBH who would one shot his a**.

I'm trying to understand your argument but its not making any sense. You are trying to use Savage Hulk lowest showings to aid in your argument when the same can be said about almost any character, including Thor.

Also you do realize half of what you suggest in this post runs counter and against to the same points naj was trying to make?

An intelligent Rhino was able to beat Hulk...

Also I feel like you playing up those other examples.

Colossus has never given Juggernaut fits,

Rhino only gave Surfer fits until Surfer decided to one shot him with a punch.

Ironman used Surfer's own power against him to win.

And Colossus was koed in his brief fight with Gladiator.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that its written into the Hulk's character to have those low end feats be justified. His strength is dynamic it changes. So you can't just say he was performing poorly. All you can say is he was at a lower level of strength.

Also you do realize half of what you suggest in this post runs counter and against to the same points naj was trying to make?

An intelligent Rhino was able to beat Hulk...

Also I feel like you playing up those other examples.

Colossus has never given Juggernaut fits,

Rhino only gave Surfer fits until Surfer decided to one shot him with a punch.

Ironman used Surfer's own power against him to win.

And Colossus was koed in his brief fight with Gladiator.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that its written into the Hulk's character to have those low end feats be justified. His strength is dynamic it changes. So you can't just say he was performing poorly. All you can say is he was at a lower level of strength.

Also you do realize half of what you suggest in this post runs counter and against to the same points naj was trying to make?

An intelligent Rhino was able to beat Hulk...

Also I feel like you playing up those other examples.

Colossus has never given Juggernaut fits,

Rhino only gave Surfer fits until Surfer decided to one shot him with a punch.

Ironman used Surfer's own power against him to win.

And Colossus was koed in his brief fight with Gladiator.

Prove that it was written into Hulks character to have those showings and Rhino is a powerful brick...he is just usually dumb as hell. His strength fts are>>Tutinax...that's for sure and the average Eternal is what, a class 90 in strength.

Thor also having a good fight against Ulik, someone that isn't physically stronger than Savage, let alone people like Gladiator and Sentry.

So if I post Colossus giving Juggernaut a fight, will you concede?

Gladiator and Colossus fight wasn't brief at all but ok, let's say if it was brief, what about Thing showing against Surfer? Black Bolt isn't physically as strong as Gladiator but he gives him a fight along with other high tier beings.

Like I've already stated, you picking and choosing a fight from a character that has had THOUSANDS of appearances and overlooking the ones where Thor outright admits Savage Hulk is stronger than him...Thor also gets dominated is just showing how bias you are.

I would also I like to know...out of the 5 Times Savage Hulk fought Wendigo, are you implying that Wendigo never fought a Savage Hulk similar to the Hulk Thor fought.?

Originally posted by TheHulk
You Might As Well Be Saying Hulk Has No Base Level...But If You Disagree With This That means He Has A Base But The Way Your Playing Your Like It Starts Off Weak

Originally posted by Newjak
Did I say he automatically starts out weak... No what I've said and continue to say his strength is variable. It can go from Abom level to Colossus level to Namor level to Thor level, and despite what Naj is saying there is a rather large difference in those leagues.

Seriously... 😠

Originally posted by carver9
Prove that it was written into Hulks character to have those showings and Rhino is a powerful brick...he is just usually dumb as hell. His strength fts are>>Tutinax...that's for sure and the average Eternal is what, a class 90 in strength.

Thor also having a good fight against Ulik, someone that isn't physically stronger than Savage, let alone people like Gladiator and Sentry.

So if I post Colossus giving Juggernaut a fight, will you concede?

Gladiator and Colossus fight wasn't brief at all but ok, let's say if it was brief, what about Thing showing against Surfer? Black Bolt isn't physically as strong as Gladiator but he gives him a fight along with other high tier beings.

Like I've already stated, you picking and choosing a fight from a character that has had THOUSANDS of appearances and overlooking the ones where Thor outright admits Savage Hulk is stronger than him...Thor also gets dominated is just showing how bias you are.

I would also I like to know...out of the 5 Times Savage Hulk fought Wendigo, are you implying that Wendigo never fought a Savage Hulk similar to the Hulk Thor fought.?

And like I said it's not all about feats but at the same time you don't just discredit them.

Also post Colossus giving Juggernaut fits... I'll just mention the time Cain decked Piotr in one blow.

And I already told you it was written into Hulk's character the moment the writers gave him variable strength. That aspect is what puts into Hulk's character for it to be ok for him to have lower showings.

And as for whether or not Wendigo ever fought a Hulk on Thor's level.

The point is perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't, you don't know is the problem and you can't prove it definitely. Despite Naj's poor attempts at doing so.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Nor Did I Say You Said It Starts Of Weak, I Said 'The Way Your Playing It 's Like!'

Seriously... 😠

That's the point you don't know. Now you show me that same person fighting Thor, or Hercules, or Wonder Man enough times or lifting a planet. Then we know cause those things are less variable then Hulk.

Originally posted by Newjak
Rhino got beat down by a depowered Juggeranut who wasn't even Colossus level at the time 🙄

And like I said it's not all about feats but at the same time you don't just discredit them.

Also post Colossus giving Juggernaut fits... I'll just mention the time Cain decked Piotr in one blow.

And I already told you it was written into Hulk's character the moment the writers gave him variable strength. That aspect is what puts into Hulk's character for it to be ok for him to have lower showings.

And as for whether or not Wendigo ever fought a Hulk on Thor's level.

The point is perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't, you don't know is the problem and you can't prove it definitely. Despite Naj's poor attempts at doing so.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm playing it like you don't know. In any given encounter with the Hulk, if all you had was that person fighting the Hulk you would never know what level of strength that person is on. That person could be ridiculously strong, or he could be Rhino level...

That's the point you don't know. Now you show me that same person fighting Thor, or Hercules, or Wonder Man enough times or lifting a planet. Then we know cause those things are less variable then Hulk.

Originally posted by TheHulk
That's The Same For Every Character!...This Is The Type Of Debate That Can Go On Forever! ❌

It doesn't work the way you want it to.

Originally posted by TheHulk
The Same Can Be Said For Thor,Surfer,Hercules Or Superman And No! I'm Not Answering Your Question Cause It's Stupid! 😠

Originally posted by Newjak
Most other characters are designed to have variable strength, that's the problem. Hulk is a character whose strength is written as being variable. This isn't a PIS thing that happens. This is built into the character. Hulk can be that weak or that strong. It's the nature of his power, so you can't just write it off as PIS/CIS or him holding back. Nor can you use how someone performs against Hulk because of that.

It doesn't work the way you want it to.

WHAT YOU SAID IS MORE LIKE A COMPLAINT LETTER TO MARVEL!

wallbash

Originally posted by Newjak
Now you show me that same person fighting Thor, or Hercules, or Wonder Man enough times or lifting a planet. Then we know cause those things are less variable then Hulk.

Originally posted by TheHulk

Originally posted by TheHulk
Blame The Writers HELL Blame Stan Lee! This Is Not The Type Of Debate That Should Be Debated In The Forums....Seriously

WHAT YOU SAID IS MORE LIKE A COMPLAINT LETTER TO MARVEL!

wallbash

Especially with the power level differences among his foes already being demonstrated in the past.

Once again both Herc and Thor have one shot KOed Abomination.

Thor has one shot KOed Namor.

Trying to prove someone's strength level based on fighting a character whose strength is variable is logically flawed. You can try and reason it all you want there will always be a rather large amount of doubt.

And that wasn't a question it was statement, of what I think is actually a good measurement of someone's level. I didn't ask you to do anything with it.

Originally posted by Newjak
Rhino got beat down by a depowered Juggeranut who wasn't even Colossus level at the time 🙄

And like I said it's not all about feats but at the same time you don't just discredit them.

Also post Colossus giving Juggernaut fits... I'll just mention the time Cain decked Piotr in one blow.

And I already told you it was written into Hulk's character the moment the writers gave him variable strength. That aspect is what puts into Hulk's character for it to be ok for him to have lower showings.

And as for whether or not Wendigo ever fought a Hulk on Thor's level.

The point is perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't, you don't know is the problem and you can't prove it definitely. Despite Naj's poor attempts at doing so.

When did Juggernaut fight an intelligent Rhino? And lol...did you even see the Juggernaut vs Rhino fight...Depowered Juggernaut admitted he couldn't hurt Rhino with his physical strength and stuff a grenade down his throat to win against him. Let's not pretend like he physically knocked him out because he admitted he couldn't.

A calm Hulks strength varies...you got that right, but a pissed Savage Hulk strength is consistent. I don't have to prove anything though...the proof is on you. I showed you what a pissed Savage Hulk is capable of, you need to show me a pissed Savage getting overpowered. I can post scans all day with a angry Savage doing good against top tiers, I want to see a pissed Savage getting overpowered outside of plot.

Wendigo fought an angry Savage Hulk...a Hulk so pissed that he was talking about killing Wendi...that's all the proof I need. The proof is on you.

Originally posted by carver9
When did Juggernaut fight an intelligent Rhino? And lol...did you even see the Juggernaut vs Rhino fight...Depowered Juggernaut admitted he couldn't hurt Rhino with his physical strength and stuff a grenade down his throat to win against him. Let's not pretend like he physically knocked him out because he admitted he couldn't.

A calm Hulks strength varies...you got that right, but a pissed Savage Hulk strength is consistent. I don't have to prove anything though...the proof is on you. I showed you what a pissed Savage Hulk is capable of, you need to show me a pissed Savage getting overpowered. I can post scans all day with a angry Savage doing good against top tiers, I want to see a pissed Savage getting overpowered outside of plot.

Wendigo fought an angry Savage Hulk...a Hulk so pissed that he was talking about killing Wendi...that's all the proof I need. The proof is on you.

You do realize Hulk is never really 'calm' considering being in a rage is what makes him transform to begin with. You know the whole you wouldn't like me when I'm angry shtick.

Hulk has fought Wolverine while angry, has fought Abom while angry.

The fact here is your trying to make some kind of foothead statement to make it so your claims fit by saying well if Hulk is any kind of mad he is automatically at this top tier level which isn't true considering he is always mad by default.

It doesn't work that way sorry.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's not a complaint letter. If Hulk's strength is variable then trying to using him to solely gauge someone's strength is not logically sound.

Especially with the power level differences among his foes already being demonstrated in the past.

Once again both Herc and Thor have one shot KOed Abomination.

Thor has one shot KOed Namor.

Trying to prove someone's strength level based on fighting a character whose strength is variable is logically flawed. You can try and reason it all you want there will always be a rather large amount of doubt.

And that wasn't a question it was statement, of what I think is actually a good measurement of someone's level.

I proved that an angry Hulk strength us pretty much on par with Thor, actually greater. Then Thor was overpowered by Bi Beast and admitted that Bi Beast was as strong as Savage Hulk when he got tossed across the room (twice). Thor admitting Savage Hulk is stronger than him didn't only happen once, it happened 2 to 3 Times.

The moral of the story is...Bi Beast and Wendigo has been compared to Savage Hulk who has outright dominated Thor in a physical confrontation (which again led to Thor saying Savage Hulk is stronger than him) which proves that Wendigo and Bi Beast (who overpowered Thor) are high class 100's.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's not a complaint letter. If Hulk's strength is variable then trying to using him to solely gauge someone's strength is not logically sound.

Especially with the power level differences among his foes already being demonstrated in the past.

Once again both Herc and Thor have one shot KOed Abomination.

Thor has one shot KOed Namor.

Trying to prove someone's strength level based on fighting a character whose strength is variable is logically flawed. You can try and reason it all you want there will always be a rather large amount of doubt.

And that wasn't a question it was statement, of what I think is actually a good measurement of someone's level. I didn't ask you to do anything with it.

Originally posted by carver9
I proved that an angry Hulk strength us pretty much on par with Thor, actually greater. Then Thor was overpowered by Bi Beast and admitted that Bi Beast was as strong as Savage Hulk when he got tossed across the room (twice). Thor admitting Savage Hulk is stronger than him didn't only happen once, it happened 2 to 3 Times.

The moral of the story is...Bi Beast and Wendigo has been compared to Savage Hulk who has outright dominated Thor in a physical confrontation (which again led to Thor saying Savage Hulk is stronger than him) which proves that Wendigo and Bi Beast (who overpowered Thor) are high class 100's.