Thor vs Worldbreaker Hulk (Slugfest)

Originally posted by Newjak
While I do agree that you can't solely go off feats there is the idea of completely disregarding them all together because you don't like a characters upper bound.

And beings like Thor and Superman are given a reason. The reason being most of the time they hold back. Also it's different for Thor and Superman because once again Hulk's core persona is that his power is dynamic. It's built into the character.

Like I said I'm pretty sure Thor has handled Namor fairly easily in the past.

Namor can shake a whole island by slamming his fits into the ground while on his back.

Colossus has no such feats that even approach that.

Namor is more than 3 times as strong as Colossus.

You keep going on about this average Hulk which doesn't exist. Yes he is regarded as a super heavy weight, but you can not deny his power is variable and does span a wide range. That is how you can have him fight someone like Thing or even Rhino and the strength gap isn't too large in the beginning to having him fight Planet level strength beings like Thor.

And you can argue with Hulk just not the way you are doing it. He still has his best feats so he does have some limit to what he has shown in comics.

You can also showcase how strong someone is who has fought Hulk by you know showing other feats of theirs besides Hulk.

For instance show Wendigo fighting some other super strong being whose power isn't variable. Show him fighting a Thor or someone else like that. It's not like Hulk is his only fight.

Im not disregarding them altogether. However, the thing is that high feats cannot be consideredin isolation from low feats. They btoh have to be taken in tandem. The higher and more consistnet your high feats are the, the higher your average will likely be. However, when making direct character comparisons it is faulty to go high feat hunting and then try to present one as astronomically more powerful than the other.

Hulks dynamic strength while a true attribute does not represent what you wish it does. When Savage Hulk fought guys like thing and rhino (simultaneously) they werent people portrayed as on his level. Once he passed his baseline levels he left them in the dust almost immediately. And this was shown consistently (Heck he has taken out thing with a thunderclap iirc). In any thing resembling an actual fight, Savage hulk regularly elevated to upper levels of strength quickly. You mention fights against thing and rhino (characters who he has soundly thrashed more than vice versa), but his history is littered with fights against guys like, Blackbolt,Namor,Hercules,Rulk etc in which he was virtually immediately shown at being on or above their level as well as performing feats even while relatively calm, that blow the likes of thing and rhino out of the water. Instances where he was not near immediately portrayed at such levels are the exception NOT the rule, and constitute Hulks low feats. If you are going to suggest that in a prolonged fight with Wendigo, Hulk was for some reason within his normal range of upper echelon levels of strength that he has shown to reach quickly and regularly but rather at some strangely low level then please prove so or get that crap outta here.

Funnily enough in the case of Wendigo i have cited others examples that you have promptly ignored namely : the case of Wendigo vs Professor Hulk who was a Hulk with a far more definite level of strength and who this whole "we just dont know" argument would fall even flatter against as well as Wolverine who by his comments gave us an outside indication of the level that Hulk was operating at high strength levels. The Wendigos that fought Hulk are the only relevant Wendigos and there is absolutely no reason to think that they wer fighting against a Savage hulk who strength was floundering.

As for the Namor colossus thing, casuing tremors on an island does not put Namor in another stratosphere from colossus......Jeez this is some heavy colossus lowballing. Similarly Namor has shown himself to be virtually as strong as hercules in their encounters. Yes Thor has dealt with him easily but thats a knock on Namors durability not his strength. Neither Thor nor hercules are more than 10x stronger than Namor. Your perception of strength levels is.....warped to say the least.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not disregarding them altogether. However, the thing is that high feats cannot be consideredin isolation from low feats. They btoh have to be taken in tandem. The higher and more consistnet your high feats are the, the higher your average will likely be. However, when making direct character comparisons it is faulty to go high feat hunting and then try to present one as astronomically more powerful than the other.

Hulks dynamic strength while a true attribute does not represent what you wish it does. When Savage Hulk fought guys like thing and rhino (simultaneously) they werent people portrayed as on his level. Once he passed his baseline levels he left them in the dust almost immediately. And this was shown consistently (Heck he has taken out thing with a thunderclap iirc). In any thing resembling an actual fight, Savage hulk regularly elevated to upper levels of strength quickly. You mention fights against thing and rhino (characters who he has soundly thrashed more than vice versa), but his history is littered with fights against guys like, Blackbolt,Namor,Hercules,Rulk etc in which he was virtually immediately shown at being on or above their level as well as performing feats even while relatively calm, that blow the likes of thing and rhino out of the water. Instances where he was not near immediately portrayed at such levels are the exception NOT the rule, and constitute Hulks low feats. If you are going to suggest that in a prolonged fight with Wendigo, Hulk was for some reason within his normal range of upper echelon levels of strength that he has shown to reach quickly and regularly but rather at some strangely low level then please prove so or get that crap outta here.

Funnily enough in the case of Wendigo i have cited others examples that you have promptly ignored namely : the case of Wendigo vs Professor Hulk who was a Hulk with a far more definite level of strength and who this whole "we just dont know" argument would fall even flatter against as well as Wolverine who by his comments gave us an outside indication of the level that Hulk was operating at high strength levels. The Wendigos that fought Hulk are the only relevant Wendigos and there is absolutely no reason to think that they wer fighting against a Savage hulk who strength was floundering.

As for the Namor colossus thing, casuing tremors on an island does not put Namor in another stratosphere from colossus......Jeez this is some heavy colossus lowballing. Similarly Namor has shown himself to be virtually as strong as hercules in their encounters. Yes Thor has dealt with him easily but thats a knock on Namors durability not his strength. Neither Thor nor hercules are more than 10x stronger than Namor. Your perception of strength levels is.....warped to say the least.

Everything else is just stupid

Colossus' feats don't even compare to Namor's. Even their average is different.

Keep acting like they are close is stupid. They aren't.

And acting like Namor is close to Hercules or Thor is also laughable.

Also Professor Hulk got creamed by Juggeranut once before, PH thought Cain was a normal person but he still got pounded down easily. Plus wasn't it shown PH also amped he just had a better starting base was all, but even then it wasn't exactly a super high base.

EDIT: Also I find it funny that you try to say Namor is close to Hercules, and Namor is close to Colossus which directly refers to the idea that Colossus is close to Hercules which is far from true.

Originally posted by carver9
You said that Hulk had energy coming from his body during the impact. You then state it wasnt green energy which means Hulk has had a different color of energy emitted from his body before besides the green that we usually see. So I ask "since I missed this somewhere in the 100's of Hulk comics I've read", show me proof that Hulk can emit a different color energy from his body because the scan you are referencing, that's shockwaves coming from their punches.

I will be waiting for that scan.

I didn't claim that Hulk's energy isn't green. I'm saying that another color can cover up that green. The scan you posted proves my point. Did you even look at it?
If you look then you would see the energy coming from Hulk's eyes as non green. Now does that mean the energy coming from his eyes is not green? NO! It simply means that the green is being mixed with the other colors in the air, primarily yellow to make it appear as non green. Do you get it now?

Namor and Hulk combined couldn't actually overpower Thor despite having a leverage advantage over him, and each holding one side:

http://www.leaderslair.com/avengers/avengers003pic3.gif

Thor one-shots Namor in the rain:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength23Invaders33.jpg

Yeah, Thor is a LOT stronger than Namor. And also a lot more durable. And that's not even counting feats, where Thor BLOWS AWAY Namor.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not disregarding them altogether. However, the thing is that high feats cannot be consideredin isolation from low feats. They btoh have to be taken in tandem. The higher and more consistnet your high feats are the, the higher your average will likely be. However, when making direct character comparisons it is faulty to go high feat hunting and then try to present one as astronomically more powerful than the other.

Hulks dynamic strength while a true attribute does not represent what you wish it does. When Savage Hulk fought guys like thing and rhino (simultaneously) they werent people portrayed as on his level. Once he passed his baseline levels he left them in the dust almost immediately. And this was shown consistently (Heck he has taken out thing with a thunderclap iirc). In any thing resembling an actual fight, Savage hulk regularly elevated to upper levels of strength quickly. You mention fights against thing and rhino (characters who he has soundly thrashed more than vice versa), but his history is littered with fights against guys like, Blackbolt,Namor,Hercules,Rulk etc in which he was virtually immediately shown at being on or above their level as well as performing feats even while relatively calm, that blow the likes of thing and rhino out of the water. Instances where he was not near immediately portrayed at such levels are the exception NOT the rule, and constitute Hulks low feats. If you are going to suggest that in a prolonged fight with Wendigo, Hulk was for some reason within his normal range of upper echelon levels of strength that he has shown to reach quickly and regularly but rather at some strangely low level then please prove so or get that crap outta here.

Funnily enough in the case of Wendigo i have cited others examples that you have promptly ignored namely : the case of Wendigo vs Professor Hulk who was a Hulk with a far more definite level of strength and who this whole "we just dont know" argument would fall even flatter against as well as Wolverine who by his comments gave us an outside indication of the level that Hulk was operating at high strength levels. The Wendigos that fought Hulk are the only relevant Wendigos and there is absolutely no reason to think that they wer fighting against a Savage hulk who strength was floundering.

As for the Namor colossus thing, casuing tremors on an island does not put Namor in another stratosphere from colossus......Jeez this is some heavy colossus lowballing. Similarly Namor has shown himself to be virtually as strong as hercules in their encounters. Yes Thor has dealt with him easily but thats a knock on Namors durability not his strength. Neither Thor nor hercules are more than 10x stronger than Namor. Your perception of strength levels is.....warped to say the least.

I can agree with this. But know that you are arguing that Savage Hulk is on average around Thor, Hercules, etc. level without talking about the levels of those two. I know it's irrelevant here since the characters in this fight are from marvel and direct comparisons can be made. But what about characters from D.C. where direct comparisons can't be made and feats MUST BE USED?

My point is that I feel that Thor, Namor, etc. operates under 1000 tons on a majority basis. This is because of the observation of their fights and using inference to feel what's right. So if you claim that average Savage Hulk is on their level or a little above then know that we are still talking about under 1000 ton level. That means that Bi-Beast and Wendigo are low class 100 beings on average and not high class ones.

Originally posted by Stoic
And yet you remain within character to continue stating consistency in terms of the Hulk's strength level, and where he was at during the HOTM arc. If the Flash was written as exceeding his top speed by 1000x times, we would all have to accept this, but when a character that can amplify his strength happens to exceed his previous showing against characters 1000x their power level it conveniently becomes silly, and should not be regarded, even at the expense of ignoring what was written on panel. Trust me I understood what you were saying, I just happened to disagree, because of the medium of literature that we happen to be discussing. In other words anything in a comic considered as cannon actually happened despite the implications and how those implications may make another character look in comparison to them... Even if that character happens to be Thor. Also I wasn't speaking of the Flash alone, what of Pietro? What stops him from flying apart at those speeds? Comic Book fiction right?

You may disagree with it, but they were 1000x their base in that confrontation, and they were owned hard.

wut? there is nothing 'convenient' about it. you say you get what i'm saying, but your use of pietro as an example that questions my post clearly tells me you don't. 😬

you somehow continue to push this idea of a hidden agenda on me and you keep turning my comments into some unsaid commentary on hulk and his strength.

i couldn't care less if hulk was shown to do something 1000x greater than anything he's done before. i think his feat against bi-beast and wendigo doesn't come close to his best, but whatever.

my problem has nothing whatsoever to do with hulk. seriously. it has to do ENTIRELY with an off-hand remark that has been taken literally by hulk fans to attempt to quantify his strength. which i STILL find ridiculous. the whole fight was written almost tongue-in-cheek, so to take the comment literally seems ridiculous to me. was hulk strong? yes. stronger than ever? who knows. maybe. probably. that's enough for me. the clinging to a number by some seems almost desperate and actually detracts from the story's main point.

you can claim they were 1000x their regular power as many times as you like. you have a bit of narrative to support it but no feats. at all. so make your declarations as black and white as you'd like, and try and claim them as fact. i don't care. i'll not be buying them though.

Originally posted by Newjak
You keep missing the whole point. The point being you don't know what level Wendigo is normally based solely on Hulk 😬

Everything else is just stupid

Colossus' feats don't even compare to Namor's. Even their average is different.

Keep acting like they are close is stupid. They aren't.

And acting like Namor is close to Hercules or Thor is also laughable.

Also Professor Hulk got creamed by Juggeranut once before, PH thought Cain was a normal person but he still got pounded down easily. Plus wasn't it shown PH also amped he just had a better starting base was all, but even then it wasn't exactly a super high base.

EDIT: Also I find it funny that you try to say Namor is close to Hercules, and Namor is close to Colossus which directly refers to the idea that Colossus is close to Hercules which is far from true.

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Originally posted by Newjak
You keep missing the whole point. The point being you don't know what level Wendigo is normally based solely on Hulk 😬

Everything else is just stupid

Colossus' feats don't even compare to Namor's. Even their average is different.

Keep acting like they are close is stupid. They aren't.

And acting like Namor is close to Hercules or Thor is also laughable.

Also Professor Hulk got creamed by Juggeranut once before, PH thought Cain was a normal person but he still got pounded down easily. Plus wasn't it shown PH also amped he just had a better starting base was all, but even then it wasn't exactly a super high base.

EDIT: Also I find it funny that you try to say Namor is close to Hercules, and Namor is close to Colossus which directly refers to the idea that Colossus is close to Hercules which is far from true.

Im not missing anythinng. I know what your point is i.e You cant use Hulk to determine Wendigo's strength level because of his variability. The problem is that point is wrong and I have explained why this is the case with sound reasoning. Ive pointed to the fact that an enraged Savage Hulk had a certain strength range which he approached near immediately after being enraged i.e He consistently entered this range virtually immediately after the actual hulk transformation and would go from there . Ive further explained that the vast majority of Savage Hulks history and regular feats os strength support his near immediate operation at such levels during fights (Namor,Blackbolt, Drax,Rulk,Herc etc) and consequently how examples in which he operates at lower levels represent the exception not the rule and are merely low feats which happen to every character. Simply put, Savage Hulk's posession of dynamic strength is not an excuse for your transparent disregard for his consistent portrayal in favour of ambiguous"variability" claims that attempt to shroud the character in mystery. If you believe that in a prolonged battle against Wendigo he was for some reason operating at levels lower than he normally would then you better be ready to back it up. Dodging it and perjoratively characterizing it as "stupid" while providing no semblance of a counter argument save regurgitating the same "point" ad nauseam is not gonna cut it.

Your description of the Prof hulk vs juggernaut fight is once again coloured by fanaticism. Juggernaut was only able to do that to prof Hulk as Prof Hulk held back precisely[/] because he thought Cain was a normal person. using that to downplay prof Hulk is senseless. In their fight towards the end of the arc iirc a punch from Prof Hulk had Cain in some pain. Further, its clear that the myth of Hulks "base" which involves Hulk incarnations always starting weak and then growing strong enough to match other power houses clearly influences your failure to grasp the concept of a consistent strength range as it applies to Hulk. Hulks base has always been irrelevant since his anger virtually upon transformation immediately puts him in a category where he is able to hang with mid-upper level class 100s.

As for this colossus namor thing, really its noble fanboyism at its finest since you are only attempting to exxagerate the gap between colossus and namor as well as Namor and hercules in order to big up Thor. The fact that you are actually suggesting that the gap between colossus and namor is so large that colossus would be unable to contribute anything at all strengthwise in a battle against a common foe is hilarious. So please i ask to see these feats. Causing tremors on island is certainly not astronomically beyond Colossus so your gonna have to do [i]much better than that. And for Namor and Hercules...well to say that there direct encouters dont support Hercules being 10x stronger let alone more would be a gross understatement. I mean that is just retarded. Hercules is certainly stronger even underwater but go actually read their encounters if u think one he is anywhere close to 10x stronger. There is no basis for that whatsoever, but if u believe that then please be my guest and prove it.

Furthermore i believe Thor is alot stronger than namor so dont mischaracterize my argument. Im just not willing to resort to high balling the hell out of the character in order to infalte the gap.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not missing anythinng. I know what your point is i.e You cant use Hulk to determine Wendigo's strength level because of his variability. The problem is that point is wrong and I have explained why this is the case with sound reasoning. Ive pointed to the fact that an enraged Savage Hulk had a certain strength range which he approached near immediately after being enraged i.e He consistently entered this range virtually immediately after the actual hulk transformation and would go from there . Ive further explained that the vast majority of Savage Hulks history and regular feats os strength support his near immediate operation at such levels during fights (Namor,Blackbolt, Drax,Rulk,Herc etc) and consequently how examples in which he operates at lower levels represent the exception not the rule and are merely low feats which happen to every character. Simply put, Savage Hulk's posession of dynamic strength is not an excuse for your transparent disregard for his consistent portrayal in favour of ambiguous"variability" claims that attempt to shroud the character in mystery. If you believe that in a prolonged battle against Wendigo he was for some reason operating at levels lower than he normally would then you better be ready to back it up. Dodging it and perjoratively characterizing it as "stupid" while providing no semblance of a counter argument save regurgitating the same "point" ad nauseam is not gonna cut it.

Your description of the Prof hulk vs juggernaut fight is once again coloured by fanaticism. Juggernaut was only able to do that to prof Hulk as Prof Hulk held back precisely[/] because he thought Cain was a normal person. using that to downplay prof Hulk is senseless. In their fight towards the end of the arc iirc a punch from Prof Hulk had Cain in some pain. Further, its clear that the myth of Hulks "base" which involves Hulk incarnations always starting weak and then growing strong enough to match other power houses clearly influences your failure to grasp the concept of a consistent strength range as it applies to Hulk. Hulks base has always been irrelevant since his anger virtually upon transformation immediately puts him in a category where he is able to hang with mid-upper level class 100s.

As for this colossus namor thing, really its noble fanboyism at its finest since you are only attempting to exxagerate the gap between colossus and namor as well as Namor and hercules in order to big up Thor. The fact that you are actually suggesting that the gap between colossus and namor is so large that colossus would be unable to contribute anything at all strengthwise in a battle against a common foe is hilarious. So please i ask to see these feats. Causing tremors on island is certainly not astronomically beyond Colossus so your gonna have to do [i]much better than that. And for Namor and Hercules...well to say that there direct encouters dont support Hercules being 10x stronger let alone more would be a gross understatement. I mean that is just retarded. Hercules is certainly stronger even underwater but go actually read their encounters if u think one he is anywhere close to 10x stronger. There is no basis for that whatsoever, but if u believe that then please be my guest and prove it.

Furthermore i believe Thor is alot stronger than namor so dont mischaracterize my argument. Im just not willing to resort to high balling the hell out of the character in order to infalte the gap.

It can't get any clearer than this.

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gotta say naj, while i don't agree with everything you're saying, the biggest problem i see with your stance is your cheerleader. i simply can't, out of principle, condone something that carver supports...

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is 10 times stronger than Thor. You have no rights at quoting my post. Stop responding to me.

most retarded post. This is almost as bad has ha1's superman is 1000 times stronger then thor. WBH ftw though.

Originally posted by leonidas
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gotta say naj, while i don't agree with everything you're saying, the biggest problem i see with your stance is your cheerleader. i simply can't, out of principle, condone something that carver supports...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not missing anythinng. I know what your point is i.e You cant use Hulk to determine Wendigo's strength level because of his variability. The problem is that point is wrong and I have explained why this is the case with sound reasoning. Ive pointed to the fact that an enraged Savage Hulk had a certain strength range which he approached near immediately after being enraged i.e He consistently entered this range virtually immediately after the actual hulk transformation and would go from there . Ive further explained that the vast majority of Savage Hulks history and regular feats os strength support his near immediate operation at such levels during fights (Namor,Blackbolt, Drax,Rulk,Herc etc) and consequently how examples in which he operates at lower levels represent the exception not the rule and are merely low feats which happen to every character. Simply put, Savage Hulk's posession of dynamic strength is not an excuse for your transparent disregard for his consistent portrayal in favour of ambiguous"variability" claims that attempt to shroud the character in mystery. If you believe that in a prolonged battle against Wendigo he was for some reason operating at levels lower than he normally would then you better be ready to back it up. Dodging it and perjoratively characterizing it as "stupid" while providing no semblance of a counter argument save regurgitating the same "point" ad nauseam is not gonna cut it.

Your description of the Prof hulk vs juggernaut fight is once again coloured by fanaticism. Juggernaut was only able to do that to prof Hulk as Prof Hulk held back precisely[/] because he thought Cain was a normal person. using that to downplay prof Hulk is senseless. In their fight towards the end of the arc iirc a punch from Prof Hulk had Cain in some pain. Further, its clear that the myth of Hulks "base" which involves Hulk incarnations always starting weak and then growing strong enough to match other power houses clearly influences your failure to grasp the concept of a consistent strength range as it applies to Hulk. Hulks base has always been irrelevant since his anger virtually upon transformation immediately puts him in a category where he is able to hang with mid-upper level class 100s.

As for this colossus namor thing, really its noble fanboyism at its finest since you are only attempting to exxagerate the gap between colossus and namor as well as Namor and hercules in order to big up Thor. The fact that you are actually suggesting that the gap between colossus and namor is so large that colossus would be unable to contribute anything at all strengthwise in a battle against a common foe is hilarious. So please i ask to see these feats. Causing tremors on island is certainly not astronomically beyond Colossus so your gonna have to do [i]much better than that. And for Namor and Hercules...well to say that there direct encouters dont support Hercules being 10x stronger let alone more would be a gross understatement. I mean that is just retarded. Hercules is certainly stronger even underwater but go actually read their encounters if u think one he is anywhere close to 10x stronger. There is no basis for that whatsoever, but if u believe that then please be my guest and prove it.

Furthermore i believe Thor is alot stronger than namor so dont mischaracterize my argument. Im just not willing to resort to high balling the hell out of the character in order to infalte the gap.

The point is that Herc's upper/mid/lower bound limit far exceeds Namor's lower/mid/upper bound limits you want to act like just because they have kind of close fights that changes somehow 😬

And yes Colossus is playing out of his league when it comes to Namor and Hercules. You trying to make it sound closer then what it is is actually a pathetic attempt at underplaying the gaps between these characters.

Hercules mid bound tows islands Colossus is at best a 1000 tonner based on feats and how he fairs against people. Hercules is 1000s if not millions of times stronger than Colossus just based on that. You add in the planetary feats the upper bound then it's far more.

Originally posted by leonidas
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gotta say naj, while i don't agree with everything you're saying, the biggest problem i see with your stance is your cheerleader. i simply can't, out of principle, condone something that carver supports...

Lol...youre my buddy to Leo.

Originally posted by Newjak
😆 That is true.

How the hell am I highballing or using Hercules to try and up Thor. Thor can hold his own as already shown Thor has one shotted and outright KOed Namor in the rain. So there needs to be no exaggeration its simply there.

The point is that Herc's upper/mid/lower bound limit far exceeds Namor's lower/mid/upper bound limits you want to act like just because they have kind of close fights that changes somehow 😬

And yes Colossus is playing out of his league when it comes to Namor and Hercules. You trying to make it sound closer then what it is is actually a pathetic attempt at underplaying the gaps between these characters.

Hercules mid bound tows islands Colossus is at best a 1000 tonner based on feats and how he fairs against people. Hercules is 1000s if not millions of times stronger than Colossus just based on that. You add in the planetary feats the upper bound then it's far more.

You can't base Namor and Thor fights as a true indication of Thor being above Namor. Namor strength varies.

Originally posted by zeel
most retarded post. This is almost as bad has ha1's superman is 1000 times stronger then thor. WBH ftw though.

Lol...I was quoting H1. He said Superman is 10 times stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
You can't base Namor and Thor fights as a true indication of Thor being above Namor. Namor strength varies.

Namor was in rain that's pretty much when he's his strongest.

As for the rest I base a battle between Namor and Thor on feats of which Thor's is just flat out better and Thor is flat out stronger based on that by a wide margin. The fight between Namor and THor just is kind of the icing on the cake if you want.

Originally posted by Newjak
Is that a sad attempt at trying to turn my own point against me? Cause if so that was an epic fail Carver

Namor was in rain that's pretty much when he's his strongest.

As for the rest I base a battle between Namor and Thor on feats of which Thor's is just flat out better and Thor is flat out stronger based on that by a wide margin. The fight between Namor and THor just is kind of the icing on the cake if you want.

Savage Hulk was angry when he fought Wendigo and Bi Beast. Hulk is stronger when he is pissed. He is also Herald top tier when he is pissed.

Thor has lost to people that doesn't have close to the fts he have. Fts are all good and dandy but fights are the better route to take. How they stack up with each other.

The fight between Savage Hulk and Thor is the icing on the cake.

Originally posted by leonidas
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gotta say naj, while i don't agree with everything you're saying, the biggest problem i see with your stance is your cheerleader. i simply can't, out of principle, condone something that carver supports...

lol Carver unwittingly is perhaps the biggest challenge to hulk on KMC. No offense Carv 😄

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk was angry when he fought Wendigo and Bi Beast. Hulk is stronger when he is pissed. He is also Herald top tier when he is pissed.

Thor has lost to people that doesn't have close to the fts he have. Fts is all good and dandy but fights are the better route to take. How they stack up with each other.

I like how you use the term angry to make it sound like that means he was obviously that strong. I hate to break it to you Carver if he needed a Colossus level being to help him with Wendigo that means he was not operating at his top tier level. That's just true, there is that big of a gap regardless of the BS naj is trying to spew.