Nice commentary thus far; some interesting point of views here... 👆
Anyway, heres my take on the fight: The mental projections of Bor and Thanos should be very powerful in the Matrix as both of them are bonafide badazz's and they know it...thus their digital forms would reflect this.
On the other hand, Bor and Thanos would be facing two extremely powerful technopaths on their home turf; Neo and Smith know the Matrix very well and know which rules can be bent and which can be completely broken...
As a result I dont either side completely dominates the other here; I believe one could make a strong argument for both sides as pertains which team wins...
I just don't think we can assume Thanos's inherent knowledge of technology would cause him to override the Matrix somehow. I see this as a mental battle entirely, which won't include Thanos's traditional feats.
His formidable intellect is what would keep him in the fight, but it's because he'd manifest some comparably powerful displays in the Matrix, not because of his "real world" feats. If you think that Thanos is smart enough to manipulate the Matrix to a win, good on you, I won't argue. But my opinion is that the literal gods of the Matrix would trump him in their own universe. They're fighting in computer code, and the code is written to make Neo (and thus Smith) essentially unstoppable.
I don't understand. No character in the Matrix canon is weaker inside it than they are in real life. If you or I were plugged in tomorrow without our knowledge, would we not retain whatever physical abilities we had today?
So why would Thanos or Bor be any different? Would the matrix inherently weaken them somehow? If so, to what extent? Based on what precedent?
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
what would happen to his conscience then? and what bout his body? because getting unplugged before making it out pretty much disconnects your brain from your body......this in itself intrigues me. Not just for Thanos either....anyone that would be lets say immortal. What would happen to them?....
Good question. He might just be fine, or he may be reduced to an immortal veggie.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I don't understand. No character in the Matrix canon is weaker inside it than they are in real life. If you or I were plugged in tomorrow without our knowledge, would we not retain whatever physical abilities we had today?So why would Thanos or Bor be any different? Would the matrix inherently weaken them somehow? If so, to what extent? Based on what precedent?
The Matrix isn't just another mind/dreamworld where anything goes if your "will is strong enough". It is grounded in reality, however those who know about the Matrix can bend some of the rules. However, what can be accomplished does have hard limits, only Neo can reach those because his unique code allows him to do so. He has that code because it is by design of the Architect. What someone can do in real life has no bearing on what they can do in the Matrix (unless you are connected to the Source like Neo is). No one can be greater than The One in the Matrix.
I'm surprised people took the debate in this direction though. In the Movie Vs Forum regarding Matrix debates, it is always stated that the opponents assume their real life powers for the sake of the argument. In that case, Thanos would solo easily. If we are arguing what would actually happen, Thanos would not retain his powers, nor would he be able to surpass Neo.
Thanos can't die because of a virtual reality program. His avatar can die but the real thanos inside the pod can't die and so his avatar will be resurrected. Thanos is also too smart and will figure out his whereabouts and use the links which are connected to him within the pod and take over the matrix.
Humans in the pods who are unaware of the matrix when woken are = to their real selves. The people who woke from the pod are as strong as they were when they were within the Matrix. So the avatars of Bor and Thanos will have their powers within the matrix.
And if they don't, Bor knows he is a God and behave as if he was a God and this alone will allow him to bend the matrix to his will. This is without even knowing that they are in the matrix.
If he realizes that he is a God in a computer, he can wake up and destroy the hardware.
Team 2 wins easy.
Team 1 wins only if Matrix is the only reality - no computer hardware, just the virtual world. This will pit Bor and Thanos against the supreme beings of the Matrix and they will lose.
Originally posted by h1a8No. His being the one was not a created event. Just one that was planned for, hence systemic anomaly. Intelligence has nothing to do with being the one, it is the questioning of reality and the acceptance that the reality of the matrix is false combined with x-factors
thanos needs time to learn. Smith could overwrite him immediately or Neo could erase him before Thanos learns.Also Neo was the one because he was created to be (and not because he was a super genius).
Originally posted by Placidity
The Matrix isn't just another mind/dreamworld where anything goes if your "will is strong enough". It is grounded in reality, however those who know about the Matrix can bend some of the rules. However, what can be accomplished does have hard limits, only Neo can reach those because his unique code allows him to do so. He has that code because it is by design of the Architect. What someone can do in real life has no bearing on what they can do in the Matrix (unless you are connected to the Source like Neo is). No one can be greater than The One in the Matrix.I'm surprised people took the debate in this direction though. In the Movie Vs Forum regarding Matrix debates, it is always stated that the opponents assume their real life powers for the sake of the argument. In that case, Thanos would solo easily. If we are arguing what would actually happen, Thanos would not retain his powers, nor would he be able to surpass Neo.
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Originally posted by Diesldude
Thanos will...take over the matrix.
That's a relatively unfounded claim, unless you think he can matter manip the code in seconds on the fly to do exactly this while in a to-the-death battle.
The OP says the battle takes place inside the Matrix, i.e., inside the virtual reality. Even if Thanos and Bor thought of themselves as Gods/Titans, there actions would still only be code for Neo/Smith to read and manipulate. In the Matrix they are essentially reality warpers. Pretty much any attack Thanos or Bor did would be read before they did it, and could literally be blocked/stopped with a gesture (a la Neo stopping bullets in the original film and Reloaded). If Neo dives into Thanos's chest like he did Smith, or Smith somehow impales either opponent to attempt to overwrite them, it's likely going to work. I don't believe this battle is going to come down to a bullet time kung fu fight.
Originally posted by MF DELPHArgument against that though is that Thanos and Bor would have the perception to manipulate the code just as well if not better. Just comes down to whether or not you think you can do it.
The OP says the battle takes place inside the Matrix, i.e., inside the virtual reality. Even if Thanos and Bor thought of themselves as Gods/Titans, there actions would still only be code for Neo/Smith to read and manipulate. In the Matrix they are essentially reality warpers. Pretty much any attack Thanos or Bor did would be read before they did it, and could literally be blocked/stopped with a gesture (a la Neo stopping bullets in the original film and Reloaded). If Neo dives into Thanos's chest like he did Smith, or Smith somehow impales either opponent to attempt to overwrite them, it's likely going to work. I don't believe this battle is going to come down to a bullet time kung fu fight.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Argument against that though is that Thanos and Bor would have the perception to manipulate the code just as well if not better. Just comes down to whether or not you think you can do it.
I'd love to see that kind of precision manipulation with no prep and during a fight with people who are attacking you with the power of a matter (reality?)-warping god. Thanos or Bor may have a feat to this affect that convinces me...comics are crazy. But it seems a tall order even for them.
I believe, for example, that Thanos could hack or control the Matrix if given prep and outside access to his tech. I DON'T think he could from within the Matrix and no prior knowledge of his environment, opponents, or technology.