Originally posted by Oliver North3rd Degree Murder fits the most, from what we know so far.
have yet to watch the whole thing, this should be the place where murder 3 is brought up, more generally arguments about what charges the jury will consider:
ugh, my bad, the video I posted was all just procedure... Short video here, pretty anti-climactic, murder 3 is not allowed:
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Do you? Because you keep changing the subject to gun rights, when I'm talking about something different.Let's remove guns altogether and maybe you'll understand the problem. At the pharmacy my dad used to work at there was a series of breakins a few years back. In one particularly memorable incident a homeless man who'd tried to enter through the roof fell through the roof and sprained his ankle. Luckily there was a barrel full of canes right next to where he fell, so he was able to take one and limp away with it. A security camera caught all of this. The man was allowed to keep the cane, and the store even apologized to him because he was possibly within his rights to sue them.
That's how stupid Florida law is.
It has nothing to do with guns.
If guns didn't exist, Florida laws would still be idiotic.
Understand now?
never said it was you that was talking about no guns. I bring up that point because others on here definitely indicate that the world would be rosy if citizens didn't have guns; only cops and criminals. your point was crystal clear already
Originally posted by Robtard
It certainly does and I'd want them jailed/punished for stealing, not dead though. Or they run out of the house cos they were there to just steal and not rape murder kill. There's always that chance.Don't know really, never been in a situation. If I heard a burglar breaking into my home, I'd probably first employ the tactic of yelling "I'm armed and the cops are on the way" and seeing if that scares them out of the house before charging and opening fire like a badass. In fact, there's the chance that firing upon an armed thief would make him use his weapon back, when he normally wouldn't.
And?
You do what you like, I just hope people like you don't kill anyone for the act of thievery. Remember that old idiot who not long ago pulled out his gun and started firing like some wannabe Rambo? He could have turned what would have been a robbery into a bloodbath; luckily no one died.
you'd yell and give away your position? that's suicide, all because you can't shoot the man who invaded the home where you baby daughter sleeps? home invasions in particular are very bad where I was from. Asian gangs (notorious for this) go into the house, tie the family up, torture, and take everything. so many people just don't know. my attitude cannot and will not ever change about this; although I do admit it is frustrating that people can't understand. hopefully nobody will have to learn the hard way.
Originally posted by Raisen
never said it was you that was talking about no guns. I bring up that point because others on here definitely indicate that the world would be rosy if citizens didn't have guns; only cops and criminals. your point was crystal clear already
Only idiots think that you can stop gun violence just by keeping guns out of civilian hands. That's why I don't call for gun control on just citizens, I think real gun control should be an international effort that effects every level of society, but in the absence of that I don't think the answer is to arm more people than are already armed, nor put guns into schools.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It would be great if citizens only used guns for defending their homes in worst case scenarios and for recreation, and if there were greater controls worldwide on the manufacturing and sale of firearms and ammunition, if there were fewer criminals with guns for the preceding reason, and if police didn't need to carry guns all the time because there wasn't the reasonable chance that they'd be shot at on the job.Only idiots think that you can stop gun violence just by keeping guns out of civilian hands. That's why I don't call for gun control on just citizens, I think real gun control should be an international effort that effects every level of society, but in the absence of that I don't think the answer is to arm more people than are already armed, nor put guns into schools.
then the criminals will have even more of the guns proportionally.
Originally posted by Raisen
then the criminals will have even more of the guns proportionally.
Originally posted by Raisen
you'd yell and give away your position? that's suicide, all because you can't shoot the man who invaded the home where you baby daughter sleeps? home invasions in particular are very bad where I was from. Asian gangs (notorious for this) go into the house, tie the family up, torture, and take everything. so many people just don't know.my attitude cannot and will not ever change about this; although I do admit it is frustrating that people can't understand. hopefully nobody will have to learn the hard way.
I'd be under the impression I'm dealing with someone(s) who just wants to make some quick cash; there to steal and leave, not roving lunatic gangs out of a Kubrick film, so yes, telling them I'm armed and that the police are on the way seems like a good way of making them leave and better option than turning my home into a shoot out, considering I do have small children and stray bullets can kill.
Okay, just hope you have a measure of self control considering you're apparently walking around armed and are not someone who would turn a simple story robbery into the O.K. Corral cos he wants to play captain hero.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd be under the impression I'm dealing with someone(s) who just wants to make some quick cash; there to steal and leave, not roving lunatic gangs out of a Kubrick film, so yes, telling them I'm armed and that the police are on the way seems like a good deterrent and better option than turning my home into a shoot out, considering I do have small children and stray bullets can kill.Okay, just hope you have a measure of self control and are not someone who would turn a simple story robbery into the O.K. Corral cos he wants to play captain hero.
I have military training. I do know that many people who have guns really couldn't use them effectively and safely. Wouldn't a three day training course, for a fee, be a good thing? Make it a requirement prior to purchasing a weapon? Hell, that would create jobs and bring money to the city or whatever entity responsible for it.
Originally posted by Raisen
I have military training. I do know that many people who have guns really couldn't use them effectively and safely. Wouldn't a three day training course, for a fee, be a good thing? Make it a requirement prior to purchasing a weapon? Hell, that would create jobs and bring money to the city or whatever entity responsible for it.
The NRA would never allow it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The NRA would never allow it.
lol. you're right. that's one of the things I don't like about them. it would be easy too. local sheriff depts. would run the courses on their ranges. charge for ammunition. charge one time fee also. 3 four hour classes about weapon safety, nomenclature, etc. 2 hour portion on the last day highlighting different legal scenarios involving civilian shootings and when to shoot.
it's all good. money for cities. knowledgeable weapon owners.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't buy the 1 in several hundreds, but it is pretty well known that most crimes are perpetrated with unregistered guns in the US.
I do believe it. I am surprised that any were registered.
Originally posted by Oliver North
ugh, my bad, the video I posted was all just procedure... Short video here, pretty anti-climactic, murder 3 is not allowed:
That guy has a twitching OCD issue...and it is rather annoying.
Zimmerman will get acquitted and part of the reason is how irritating the prosecution dude is with his OCD stuff.
Come at me. uhuh
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It would be great if citizens only used guns for defending their homes in worst case scenarios and for recreation, and if there were greater controls worldwide on the manufacturing and sale of firearms and ammunition, if there were fewer criminals with guns for the preceding reason, and if police didn't need to carry guns all the time because there wasn't the reasonable chance that they'd be shot at on the job.Only idiots think that you can stop gun violence just by keeping guns out of civilian hands. That's why I don't call for gun control on just citizens, I think real gun control should be an international effort that effects every level of society, but in the absence of that I don't think the answer is to arm more people than are already armed, nor put guns into schools.
Your idea will fail and here's why: people will just make their own guns. They have, do, and will continue to make their own guns.
Until you get ultra-fascist with enforcement, ultra-gun control will always fail. And as the UK has shown us, strict gun-control just shifts the gun violence to some other form of violence (knife).
Originally posted by dadudemon
Your idea will fail and here's why: people will just make their own guns. They have, do, and will continue to make their own guns.Until you get ultra-fascist with enforcement, ultra-gun control will always fail. And as the UK has shown us, strict gun-control just shifts the gun violence to some other form of violence (knife).
As to the UK, well, I'm sure Ush will nail you on this sooner or later, but for my part I'd greatly prefer my chances if a maniac storms a restaurant I'm in wielding a knife than that same maniac storming the same restaurant with a gun. If that trade were a real option I'd take it immediately.