Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Until you get ultra-fascist with enforcement, ultra-gun control will always fail. And as the UK has shown us, strict gun-control just shifts the gun violence to some other form of violence (knife).

I think that would be a trade up, personally.

-Man Stabs 22 Children in China-

"A Guangshan County hospital administrator said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital, although two badly wounded children were transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county." -end snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

Originally posted by Robtard
I think that would be a trade up, personally.

-Man Stabs 22 Children in China-

"A Guangshan County hospital administrator said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital, although two badly wounded children were transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county." -end snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

He was obviously a ninja. Under normal circumstances i'd rather the knife but if my attacker was Asian of any kind, which includes Russian, i'd give him the gun.

Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all, this is an idiotic statement. There are, in fact, mentally handicapped people that are aware that they are mentally handicapped.

You can not, in fact, expect to get away with beating the shit out of someone because they "talked shit" to you. And even if you do fight them, bashing someone's head against the pavement is a potentially lethal manner of "beating the shit" out of someone, so you are well-within your rights to defend your life.

You are presumably a grown man.

Act like one.

Ok wiseguy, you answer the question:

If you talk shit to someone what do you expect to happen?

Secondly, how would you know if someone who is retarded would know that they are retarded? You in fact might be a retard but too stupid to notice with your rebuttal.

Again I ask, what do you expect by following someone and talking to them as if you are some type of authority?

And answer me this:
Would he have approached the young man if he never had a gun?

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Ok wiseguy, you answer the question:

If you talk shit to someone what do you expect to happen?

I expect them to be cowed into obedience by my alpha male dominance.

Secondly, how would you know if someone who is retarded would know that they are retarded? You in fact might be a retard but too stupid to notice with your rebuttal.

Because I have seen mentally disabled people express knowledge that they are mentally disabled, such as in the case of Andrea Fay Friedman.

I am not retarded, but I am beginning to expect that you might be.

Keep your petty bigotry against those born with mental disabilities out of here.

Again I ask, what do you expect by following someone and talking to them as if you are some type of authority?

I am everyone's master.

And answer me this:
Would he have approached the young man if he never had a gun?

I do not speculate on such things. I am many things, all of them great, but I am not a telepath (At least, not one so advanced I can read the mind of one so far away, though I am getting there).

Not that any of this is relevant mind you.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think that would be a trade up, personally.

-Man Stabs 22 Children in China-

"A Guangshan County hospital administrator said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital, although two badly wounded children were transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county." -end snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0

I think it wouldn't be as that aspect of violence* is matured in the generally more violent US (compared to Europe):

-Man stabs to death 6 people.

"A Polish man is suspected of killing his wife, their two children, his father-in-law and two family friends in a frenzied stabbing spree, the deadliest crime in memory on the Channel Island of Jersey, police and local residents said Monday."

http://news.yahoo.com/6-dead-british-island-knife-attack-150111142.html

*My prediction (which is pretty dang grounded in reality) would be shift of violence and the culture of violence towards a knife culture.

Originally posted by Oliver North

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Originally posted by Oliver North

Makes sense since he's a fatty. 😮‍💨

meh, even if he gets off, at least we can laugh at him

closing arguments from the prosecution:

YouTube video
YouTube video

Watching the defense right now, actually very weak compared to the rest of the trial. Very emotionally powerful closing by the prosecution, probably too little too late, though a lot of the questions they brought up during the trial were finally put into some more specific perspective.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think it wouldn't be as that aspect of violence* is matured in the generally more violent US (compared to Europe):

-Man stabs to death 6 people.

"A Polish man is suspected of killing his wife, their two children, his father-in-law and two family friends in a frenzied stabbing spree, the deadliest crime in memory on the Channel Island of Jersey, police and local residents said Monday."

http://news.yahoo.com/6-dead-british-island-knife-attack-150111142.html

*My prediction (which is pretty dang grounded in reality) would be shift of violence and the culture of violence towards a knife culture.

I'd take a 'knife culture' over a 'gun culture', is what I am saying; not that people can't kill other people with knives.

Originally posted by Oliver North

Was watching Dr. Drew's show and he had a panel commenting on the case. Zimmerman's friend (forget his name) brought up a few times that Zimmerman was obese, as a point as to Zimmerman not being able to defend himself against the apparent badass that Martin was.

I don't recall Zimmerman looking fat in the pics taken after the incident.

Originally posted by Robtard
Was watching Dr. Drew's show and he had a panel commenting on the case. Zimmerman's friend (forget his name) brought up a few times that Zimmerman was obese, as a point as to Zimmerman not being able to defend himself against the apparent badass that Martin was.

I don't recall Zimmerman looking fat in the pics taken after the incident.

the defense actually called his MMA coach of about 18 months to testify that Zimmerman was obese and couldn't throw a proper jab after over a year's training. One of the better lines was something like "He came in soft, he left soft", the court cameras showed Zimmerman at that moment, and he did not look pleased.

He had actually dropped a good deal of weight prior to the shooting and I believe was about 200lbs, Wiki says this:

Zimmerman's height is reportedly 5′7″ (1.70 m); and his weight is recorded as being 185 lb (84 kg) on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated April 11, 2012, the date of his arrest. Zimmerman's height is shown as 5′8″ (1.73 m); and his weight at 200 lb (91 kg) on the Sanford Police Department Offense Report for February 26, 2012, the night of the shooting.

He has since clearly put much more back on, and is likely closer to the ~250 mark he was at when he started his MMA training (which, in all fairness was directed more at getting in shape than learning how to mess someone up, at least in terms of how far Zimmerman advanced).

EDIT: all of this, of course, ignoring the fact Treyvon was 17, ~160lbs, and had no fighting training whatsoever. He was a prodigy of ass kicking, I suppose?

I think the Prosecution is overreaching on the murder 2 charge. It fits to a degree, but I could see manslaughter being the verdict. Zimmerman was within his rights to follow Trayvon but in so doing he spooked the kid and got him on the defensive which led to the altercation. I don't think Zimmerman intended for that to occur, and the only element of race in the case is the fact that apparently some black men in the area had committed crimes leading Zimmerman to erroneously suspect Trayvon was up to the same thing. Trayvon had just as much right to run from and defend himself against what he observed to be some strange man following him on a rainy night as Zimmerman had to follow someone he assumed was engaged in criminal activity in his neighborhood. However, in my opinion, Zimmerman's misplaced suspicions and paranoia and lawful pursuit of Trayvon led to the altercation, so he'd be liable for manslaughter for unintentionally precipitating the aggression from the kid. If he doesn't spook Trayvon into thinking he's a threat to him and causing him to run and hide the fight never takes place and Zimmerman never has to defend his life from the non life threatening wounds delivered by Trayvon stylin' on him.

Originally posted by Oliver North
closing arguments from the prosecution:

YouTube video
YouTube video

Watching the defense right now, actually very weak compared to the rest of the trial. Very emotionally powerful closing by the prosecution, probably too little too late, though a lot of the questions they brought up during the trial were finally put into some more specific perspective.

That's actually bad news for the defense. The closing arguments and the impressions that those closing arguments leave with the jury are going to be "fresher" in the minds of the jury members when they deliberate. It is tougher to overcome excellent closing arguments, no matter which side you're approaching (defense or prosecution).

Originally posted by Oliver North
One of the better lines was something like "He came in soft, he left soft",

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Oliver North
He has since clearly put much more back on, and is likely closer to the ~250 mark he was at when he started his MMA training (which, in all fairness was directed more at getting in shape than learning how to mess someone up, at least in terms of how far Zimmerman advanced).

EDIT: all of this, of course, ignoring the fact Treyvon was 17, ~160lbs, and had no fighting training whatsoever. He was a prodigy of ass kicking, I suppose?

200lbs at the night of the shooting? He's 3 inches shorter than I am and weighed 5 more lbs than I currently do. He was definitely pretty fat if he was 200lbs when they booked him. He would be "Obese" on the BMI.

He'd get winded, very quickly, in a scuffle. Especially if it was a scuffle with a decently in-shape teenager. It's no wonder Martin wiped the floor with Zimmerman.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I think the Prosecution is overreaching on the murder 2 charge. It fits to a degree, but I could see manslaughter being the verdict. Zimmerman was within his rights to follow Trayvon but in so doing he spooked the kid and got him on the defensive which led to the altercation. I don't think Zimmerman intended for that to occur, and the only element of race in the case is the fact that apparently some black men in the area had committed crimes leading Zimmerman to erroneously suspect Trayvon was up to the same thing. Trayvon had just as much right to run from and defend himself against what he observed to be some strange man following him on a rainy night as Zimmerman had to follow someone he assumed was engaged in criminal activity in his neighborhood. However, in my opinion, Zimmerman's misplaced suspicions and paranoia and lawful pursuit of Trayvon led to the altercation, so he'd be liable for manslaughter for unintentionally precipitating the aggression from the kid. If he doesn't spook Trayvon into thinking he's a threat to him and causing him to run and hide the fight never takes place and Zimmerman never has to defend his life from the non life threatening wounds delivered by Trayvon stylin' on him.

As Symmetric Chaos has been apt to point out multiple times, now, they were both "right' to fight due to the absurdity the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law presents.

That would make both parties not guilty of anything. 😐

Self-defense

I'd disagree with that assessment. I think the fear Zimmerman instilled in Trayvon by pursuing him led to Trayvon's aggression towards Zimmerman, so I'd find Zimmerman more culpable as the initial instigator. He was the primary cause.

Originally posted by Jim Colyer
Self-defense

"It's coming right at us!"

Originally posted by Robtard
"It's coming right at us!"

"It's coming right FOR us!"

Dumb ass.