Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
When did Thor die from a nova?
During one of the INFINITY GAUNTLET sequels. Was later "undone" or something. By the way, Firelord died too. I think ironic.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
When did Thor die from a nova?
During one of the INFINITY GAUNTLET sequels. Was later "undone" or something. By the way, Firelord died too. I think ironic.
Originally posted by Delta1938Oh OK. So it never happened outside of an illusion?
During one of the INFINITY GAUNTLET sequels. Was later "undone" or something. By the way, Firelord died too. I think ironic.
Also, that illusion nova destroyed everything in the multiverse
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So your point is that if you don't shatter reality that you're not that strong... in a nutshell?
lol what. Does this make Superman stronger than pretty much everyone in Marvel then? Because not many shatter reality with punches, and that's what it takes to prove that you're above Superman?You realize you're saying the power levels in DC are higher because a character that was meant to be ridiculous... who was above Superman in the first place was shattering reality?
Also, Thor has one of those infinite weight/completely unquantifiable feats in the form of the World Engine
Blowing that out of proportion? Thor ran through 3 high heralds, 2 Hulk level beings, and some lower level beings. But it's blown out of proportion because they weren't trying to kill him (yet they wanted to STOP him, so that's irrelevant either way). Not only did he run through them, he one shotted Maxam, Surfer, Warlock, and Strange, and two shotted Drax.
If there's one series to bring up in an effort to try and downplay Thor, it is not Blood and Thunder.
It is not what you do in comics, it's how you do it. I don't respect Thor for how he ran through some heralds in Blood and Thunder. Because they fought like idiots and jobbed for the sake of the story.
Also context is your friend. How did Thor oneshot Strange and Warlock? Was it due to physical strength? I'm pretty sure he did it with Strange's and Warlock's own energies.
And lastly, I disagree that the World Engine is an infinite weight type of feat. We don't know how much force it took to do it. It could have taken a million tons of force or less for all we know. The answer lies in the mind of the writer. Ask the writer and it could be settled once and for all.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Oh OK. So it never happened outside of an illusion?Also, that illusion nova destroyed everything in the multiverse
Just checked the comic, my mistake. Although nothing to indicate that it destroyed everything in the multiverse, even in the illusion.
Still haven't seen anything to indicate Thor's durability is close to Superman's, though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So Pre-Crisis, I guessed as much.
Still canon for him.
Superman #158? That's the issue that Superboy and Steel entered Superman's body, the rest of the Justice League wasn't present as far as I recall.
Here you go
According to him: Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Big Barda, Supergirl, Steel and Superboy were barely capable of restraining Superman after he went a few rounds with Orion. That's the issue I'm interested in, and it's not Superman/Batman #32, that was still impressive (He had gone a few rounds with Blackrock Batman earlier, not sure about days), although John and Kara IIRC were the only two real strongmen.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ManOfTomorrow13f.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ManOfTomorrow13g.jpg
And no, kilowog just went a round with superman in h2h. He's certainly up there in strength. Anyway, j'onn and kara were struggling to hold one arm there
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/pic014.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/pic016.jpg
This was after he went a gauntlet of titano, hal jordan, kilowog with two gl ring, blackrock and what not.
While I think Loeb's Superman would own Diana in such a manner, I'm not entirely sure that he'd have him break her bracers so casually in the main reality, so it's something worth noting.
He's threatened to shatter her bracelets in main reality too, I wouldn't be so surprised if he could do it in the main reality too.
What is it with you and bemoaning any criticism of Superman? I'm not implying that they were fragile or weak, I am however pointing out that they aren't consistently on par with their best as seen with Sonic's scream, Ultra Man's heat vision, lightning etc. which is true.
I was being sarcastic at your attempts to downplay them. She had her lasso of truth and all the JLA members were their classic self. There is no reason to believe that her bracelets were any less durable unless you think that just because superman shattered them they were less durable. Can I see those scans you're talking about?
Maybe where he come from, the word ease means something different, but as far as I know, it certainly doesn't apply to this scene:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersa-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersb-1.jpg
I thought that tossing ship was here
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/VS%20Lobo/MOS%2030/supesmos-30-16.jpg
Here comes the really hard part =/= Ease
The funny thing is that he only mentioned that when he was about to enter hyperspace which you know hurt him back then.
Enlighten me, why not? Do you by any chance know the exact amount of force it takes to break a dimensional barrier in comparison to that of a Big Bang level force capable of collapsing all alternate time lines of existence into one? Sarcasm aside, still not sure how you can say they clearly aren't comparable.
Sending shockwaves with the collision of two enchanted hammers =/= breaking reality with your punches. It was mystical power of two hammers and nothing to do with strength. Thor and bill collided their punches and broke a country hill and its proudly shown in thor respect thread. Guess which is better?
It should be noted, Thor has shattered a portion of reality with a blow, closed a hole in dimensions by colliding fists with Hercules etc. He also destroyed dimensional portals from the land of the Faerie’s to Midgard by hammering, his suit was made of Iron, but why should I be the only one worried about context?
Can I see these scans and issue numbers?
Originally posted by Odekahn
Ah, gotcha.
Yep, he's correct. I have the issue, but haven't read it myself. I've actually been recently watching that X-MEN cartoon on Netflix(love the streaming), that's pretty much the scene that played-out in cartoon, and it's made me wonder about the actual comic storyline.
Anybody have scans? I've wondered if a similar example happened during DARK PHOENIX as portrayed in the cartoon and X-MEN ADVENTURES.
Although it wasn't canon, it was pretty satisfying to see Superman-Lite own Juggernaut like that in the cartoon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ?
No. And what's wrong with what I said? About Thor not being close to Superman in durability? I haven't seen anything to indicate he is. You might not like using feats, but that doesn't change the fact that I haven't seen anything from Thor that's close to Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Please tell me you are not referring to the Infinite Crisis tie-in.
Others have already commented on it, so I'll just add one more thing. People try to argue that reality was "weakened" even though everybody I've seen argue this has failed to provide evidence when I ask to see it. Well, if reality were weakened and that's why the Kals were able to shatter it, why didn't Black Adam when he did his equivalent of Zeus-amping against Superboy Prime? You would think if the only reason Superman could do that was reality being weakened, that someone who's allegedly close to his level of strength would be breaking it too when boosting his strength.
