Originally posted by Lord Feron
There is some serious and self destructive superman wanking in this thread..... it's like people just wanna take the high showings and run with it..
Exactly and i'm a big Superman fan.
However, running only with top end feats and low balling other characters is a logic fail in any debate.
The team wins.
Originally posted by deathlife
Exactly and i'm a big Superman fan.However, running only with top end feats and low balling other characters is a logic fail in any debate.
The team wins.
What "lowballing" is there? And did you not see that Thor is without Mjolnir?
If Thor still had Mjolnir then that'd be one thing, but Thor is seriously handicapped, Thing is a virtual non-factor. Dunno about Colossus, haven't seen this power-up with Juggernaut's power or whatever, and dunno which one was in mind.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus (pre Juggy anyway) and Thing are not really going to do much bar distract Superman, though it's because of that, that makes the team win.
Are you cereals. They get half-shotted each - yes half-shotted, so both of them get one-shotted in like 3 seconds (I'm just entertaining the "Superman has no super-speed" fans). So at best Thor gets in a few punches and thats enough for him to win after his team mates are dead? If you really believe that I don't see how you can believe Thor doesn't bitchslap Superman when he has his hammer, and I don't think you believe that.
Originally posted by PlacidityI doubt Thor would be able to catch Superman in a foot race but
Are you cereals. They get half-shotted each - yes half-shotted, so both of them get one-shotted in like 3 seconds (I'm just entertaining the "Superman has no super-speed" fans). So at best Thor gets in a few punches and thats enough for him to win after his team mates are dead? If you really believe that I don't see how you can believe Thor doesn't bitchslap Superman when he has his hammer, and I don't think you believe that.
I think Thor's reactions are enough he can keep up with Superman in close combat maybe land a few hits. If Superman did for some reason get distracted and Thor could get the drop on him. Thor is strong enough and a good enough warrior to make Superman pay for it. At the very least injure him enough to slow him down to the point where they are on a more level playing field in that regards.
But if it was a straight one v one Thor would get decently thrashed by the pure mobility speed advantage Superman has along with the reaction speed advantage as well, although I don't think that one is as big as we would think. Also because Superman is also a bit stronger, and more durable. The only real advatange I might give Thor in close quarters combat is H2H ability and maybe damage soak.
Originally posted by Newjak
I doubt Thor would be able to catch Superman in a foot race butI think Thor's reactions are enough he can keep up with Superman in close combat maybe land a few hits. If Superman did for some reason get distracted and Thor could get the drop on him. Thor is strong enough and a good enough warrior to make Superman pay for it. At the very least injure him enough to slow him down to the point where they are on a more level playing field in that regards.
But if it was a straight one v one Thor would get decently thrashed by the pure mobility speed advantage Superman has along with the reaction speed advantage as well, although I don't think that one is as big as we would think. Also because Superman is also a bit stronger, and more durable. The only real advatange I might give Thor in close quarters combat is H2H ability and maybe damage soak.
Originally posted by Placidity
Are you cereals. They get half-shotted each - yes half-shotted, so both of them get one-shotted in like 3 seconds (I'm just entertaining the "Superman has no super-speed" fans). So at best Thor gets in a few punches and thats enough for him to win after his team mates are dead? If you really believe that I don't see how you can believe Thor doesn't bitchslap Superman when he has his hammer, and I don't think you believe that.
Thor still has his exotic abilities without Mjolnir, doesn't he?
Originally posted by abhilegendThor just finished handling Quicksilver fairly easily, and quicksilver does have some lower end flash feats on his resume.
I haven't seen much to say that thor has anywhere near superman level reactions. Maybe you can surprise me with some dazzling displays of reaction speed from thor. Yeah, thor can get a drop on kal if he is sleeping, deaf, blind and even then it would be difficult.🙄
We know he does have godly senses, he continually fights people who have super reaction speeds.
He has been stated numerous times to be as fast as the lightning he commands faster then the eye.
He can move his arms fast enough to swing Mjlonir at or close to the speed of light.
He did dig that huge ditch to keep the lava from getting to the town.
The point is this isn't like the Hulk/Juggernaut where he doesn't have any super human reaction feats that when he fights against a gladiator or a silver surfer or a quicksilver that it becomes PIS. We know he can be fast when he needs to, and can react to speed when he wants to.
Does he have some low feats yeah.
That's why I don't put him in the same league as Superman and why I would say in a pure H2H scenario Thor will get beaten soundly everytime. He may land in a few, but that's it. Now if something did distract Superman I do think based on what we've seen Thor is fast enough to make Superman pay for it.
Now do I think been and pre Juggernaut Colossus would give that distraction. Actually no I don't.
Maybe if it was a team of Namor and Wonder Man then it might be a different story MAYBE.
Originally posted by -Pr-He has the ability to use lightning blasts and stuff like that, but I think his use of them becomes extremely limited without Mjlonir like I think his ability to teleport/fly/shields/creating his bigger more powerful blasts stem from him being able to use the hammer for better control of his power.
Thor still has his exotic abilities without Mjolnir, doesn't he?
I thought this fight was pure H2H.
Originally posted by -Pr-I thought so that seemed to be the way everyone was debating, but the opening post does only say no hammer and Thor can still do some of his powers without it, which if that's the the case the teams wins as long as Superman doesn't go for Thor first, and even then Thor might take a couple of fights based solely on some Durok Droppers happening.
Oh, it's only h2h?Superman wins then.
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor just finished handling Quicksilver fairly easily, and quicksilver does have some lower end flash feats on his resume.We know he does have godly senses, he continually fights people who have super reaction speeds.
He has been stated numerous times to be as fast as the lightning he commands faster then the eye.
He can move his arms fast enough to swing Mjlonir at or close to the speed of light.
He did dig that huge ditch to keep the lava from getting to the town.
The point is this isn't like the Hulk/Juggernaut where he doesn't have any super human reaction feats that when he fights against a gladiator or a silver surfer or a quicksilver that it becomes PIS. We know he can be fast when he needs to, and can react to speed when he wants to.
Does he have some low feats yeah.
That's why I don't put him in the same league as Superman and why I would say in a pure H2H scenario Thor will get beaten soundly everytime. He may land in a few, but that's it. Now if something did distract Superman I do think based on what we've seen Thor is fast enough to make Superman pay for it.
Now do I think been and pre Juggernaut Colossus would give that distraction. Actually no I don't.
Maybe if it was a team of Namor and Wonder Man then it might be a different story MAYBE.
Define godly senses and how does it helps him in this situation.
Yeah, flailing his arms in the air at the speed of light is certainly helpful in combat.
Who's saying him tagging someone like silver surfer who himself has very few reflex feats is PIS. I certainly didn't.
Is thor fast, yes. Anywhere remotely close to superman level, nope. He isn't.
So you agree superman wins?
Originally posted by Newjak
I thought so that seemed to be the way everyone was debating, but the opening post does only say no hammer and Thor can still do some of his powers without it, which if that's the the case the teams wins as long as Superman doesn't go for Thor first, and even then Thor might take a couple of fights based solely on some Durok Droppers happening.
So we're using thor's highest showings without mjolnir. Can we use superman's highest showings too or are we using the imaginary version of superman where he is a slow, dumb brute?