Superman vs Thor, Colossus and The Thing

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's it. 50 years of published history and all he has is digging a trench and beating an infinitesimally poorer version of flash by a method which almost every brick worth his damn has done to a speedster, stomping on the ground.

Define godly senses and how does it helps him in this situation.

Yeah, flailing his arms in the air at the speed of light is certainly helpful in combat.

Who's saying him tagging someone like silver surfer who himself has very few reflex feats is PIS. I certainly didn't.

Is thor fast, yes. Anywhere remotely close to superman level, nope. He isn't.

So you agree superman wins?

That's obviously not even close to what Flash's best is. But not being as good as Flash does not make you slow. That's like saying an atomic bomb is poor because there is the Hydrogen bomb. The H-Bomb is obviously way better but the A-Bomb is no slouch either.

Quicksilver has some very good reaction feats.

And Thor did not stomp the ground.

This is the sequence of events.

Quicksilver dodges a lightning bolt claimly it was easy for him.

Then yes Thor does pound the ground but directs it only at Quicksilver cause no one else fell down. Which means he was quick enough to see where quicksilver was going.

Even if you don't want to buy that he was then fast enough to get to QS and before QS could react pin him down.

That's not simply ground pounding to beat QS.

As much as you want to play it off as a brick feat that is a very decent speed feat.

As for godly senses I meant his sesnes his ability to see things are not like a normal humans so him having super reaction times especially off of his feats considering he does have them. Not a lot which is why I won't say Thor is in the same range as Silver Surfer or close to Superman but I don't think he is going to be a statue, or even a snail.

He will be overwhelmed by it though without the use of his other abilities to help negate that speed advantage.

As for the trench it was huge and the Lava had already almost reached the village. It would not be close to Superman's best, but if people were citing speed feats for Superman, digging a huge ass trench while lava is about to consume a town would make the list I feel.

Thor tagging Quicksilver is impressive... Even if Cyclops has done it too. vin

Originally posted by abhilegend
So we're using thor's highest showings without mjolnir. Can we use superman's highest showings too or are we using the imaginary version of superman where he is a slow, dumb brute?

Originally posted by Newjak
Of course does that mean Superman gets access to all of his powers including flight/HV/Ice Breath?

Cause if so I would have a hard time believing that a grounded team even one with Thor on it would have trouble keeping up with Superman's flight advantage.

If it's a grounded battle Thor could use his lightning and other natural attacks with no hammer to help keep Superman from overwhelming him, even then I would still give Superman the huge majority in the fight, but Thor could take a few.

If it's pure H2H it then again becomes a spite thread in Superman's favor.

Does that make it sounds like I'm not using his best, and trying to sell him short.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Thor tagging Quicksilver is impressive... Even if Cyclops has done it too. vin

Originally posted by Newjak
Quicksilver is a poor man's version of Flash yes but he does have his good feats. He was once able to go through an entire crowd check everyone in it without them knowing he was there, and remove certain pins on them that showed they were with a specific group.

That's obviously not even close to what Flash's best is. But not being as good as Flash does not make you slow. That's like saying an atomic bomb is poor because there is the Hydrogen bomb. The H-Bomb is obviously way better but the A-Bomb is no slouch either.

Quicksilver has some very good reaction feats.

And Thor did not stomp the ground.

This is the sequence of events.

Quicksilver dodges a lightning bolt claimly it was easy for him.

Then yes Thor does pound the ground but directs it only at Quicksilver cause no one else fell down. Which means he was quick enough to see where quicksilver was going.

Even if you don't want to buy that he was then fast enough to get to QS and before QS could react pin him down.

That's not simply ground pounding to beat QS.

As much as you want to play it off as a brick feat that is a very decent speed feat.

As for godly senses I meant his sesnes his ability to see things are not like a normal humans so him having super reaction times especially off of his feats considering he does have them. Not a lot which is why I won't say Thor is in the same range as Silver Surfer or close to Superman but I don't think he is going to be a statue, or even a snail.

He will be overwhelmed by it though without the use of his other abilities to help negate that speed advantage.

As for the trench it was huge and the Lava had already almost reached the village. It would not be close to Superman's best, but if people were citing speed feats for Superman, digging a huge ass trench while lava is about to consume a town would make the list I feel.

I've seen the scans, you don't have to inform me about it.

Quicksilver was thrown in the air and while he was recovering from the shock, thor rushed and grabbed him by throat. That isn't superspeed my friend.

I've seen him using these "godly senses" to sense other dimensions and shit, but so has ares and you wouldn't call ares has anywhere near the reflexes of thor, would you?

LMAO.

Originally posted by Newjak
If Superman has access to all of his abilities this become a huge stomp in Superman's favor.

If it's a grounded battle Thor could use his lightning and other natural attacks with no hammer to help keep Superman from overwhelming him, even then I would still give Superman the huge majority in the fight, but Thor could take a few.

If it's pure H2H it then again becomes a spite thread in Superman's favor.

Does that make it sounds like I'm not using his best, and trying to sell him short.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haha Cyclops also apparently has blasts that can tear small planets in half 😛

YouTube video

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quicksilver isn't even on the radar of flash. Comparing quicksilver as Atomic bomb and flash as hydrogen bomb is lulzworthy. Trust me don't compare quicksilver to flash.

I've seen the scans, you don't have to inform me about it.

Quicksilver was thrown in the air and while he was recovering from the shock, thor rushed and grabbed him by throat. That isn't superspeed my friend.

I've seen him using these "godly senses" to sense other dimensions and shit, but so has ares and you wouldn't call ares has anywhere near the reflexes of thor, would you?

LMAO.

I think you take that comment to personally my friend.

And I will say yes he did knock QS off the ground but once again he aimed it at QS we don't see anyone else phased. Bythe attack.

Also states he has defeated fleeter foes then QS. The point of bringing that up was that Thor will not be overwhlemed by great speed, and yes QS does have really good speed he does have really good reaction feats. The group feat, dodging lightning.

As for the senses I'm not using them solely as a means to prove Thor has super reactions.

I'm using these things all together. We know he has heightened senses, on top of his good speed feats, on top of the fact we know he doesn't get overwhelmed by people with super speed when he's trying.

All this leads to the point that I don't feel Thor will be a snail compared to Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted that because you brought out durok incident. That isn't the average showing of thor without his hammer and neither is superman a dumb, slow brute like durok.

That's not saying Thor takes them all or easily or even the ones I gave him would be easy.

I'm just saying he maybe able to take some.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know and I'm not saying Superman will be down by one Durok Dropper either. I'm saying through a comabination of attacks and maybe being able to use those attacks to help negate some of Superman's speed advantage he maybe able to take a few.

That's not saying Thor takes them all or easily or even the ones I gave him would be easy.

I'm just saying he maybe able to take some.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted that because you brought out durok incident. That isn't the average showing of thor without his hammer and neither is superman a dumb, slow brute like durok.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, ok. Superman wins majority, glad you agree.

There are three possible scenarios based on the opening post.

Scenario 1:

Thor/Ben/Piotr in a H2H only contest against Superman which Ben/Piotr would be none factors, and Superman is Thor's better physically and while Thor may have the H2H skill advanatage it won't overcome the rather large speed advanatage Superman has.

The team shouldn't win at all

Scenario 2: Thor gets access to his weather powers but Superman is still limited to the ground. Thor could use his godly energy blasts and lightning to help slow Superman down enough to net some wins.

Scenario 3: Superman can use all of his powers. Superman wins every match here. Thor is grounded and doesn't have access to the powers he would need to compete namely flight.

I can't believe how long this has gone on. This team has absolutely zero chance here.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why wouldn't I.

There are three possible scenarios based on the opening post.

Scenario 1:

Thor/Ben/Piotr in a H2H only contest against Superman which Ben/Piotr would be none factors, and Superman is Thor's better physically and while Thor may have the H2H skill advanatage it won't overcome the rather large speed advanatage Superman has.

The team shouldn't win at all

Scenario 2: Thor gets access to his weather powers but Superman is still limited to the ground. Thor could use his godly energy blasts and lightning to help slow Superman down enough to net some wins.

Scenario 3: Superman can use all of his powers. Superman wins every match here. Thor is grounded and doesn't have access to the powers he would need to compete namely flight.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Busiek writes a lower end Superman. Jurgens believes Thor waxes that ass. But in the end Busiek has even told me via message board Thor and Superman could go either way. You honestly think lulz is debating.

I'm glad You agree with Jurgens so much

"RC: In your opinion, is Superman is a lot more powerful than Thor?

DAN JURGENS: Yeah.

RC: Wow. When you worked on DC Vs. Marvel and pitted Quicksilver against Flash, you guys had boosted Quicksilver up to the speed of sound while Flash was running at multiples of the speed of light or whatever . . . would you say that Superman is as many times more powerful than Thor or the Hulk as Flash is as many times faster than Quicksilver?

DAN JURGENS: Yes.

RC: Wouldn’t that make Superman, like, millions of times more powerful than Thor?

DAN JURGENS: Yes."

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Aren't you the dude who thinks that Superman is ten times stronger than Thor?

So does Jurgens, oh wait My bad, He says Millions of time more POWERFUL than Thor

RC: Wouldn’t that make Superman, like, millions of times more powerful than Thor?

DAN JURGENS: Yes.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thor is physically stronger and more powerful than superman.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t368668.html

He did not said that let me repeat a portion of the interview

RC: What do you think of the idea of Superman defeating Thor, which we recently saw in JLA/Avengers?

DAN JURGENS: No . . . not even possible. Even if you bring back Thor to his basic self, the Thor of issue one of my run, he would beat Superman.

RC: Why’s that?

DAN JURGENS: Magic.

RC: The "magic weakness" idea for Superman?

DAN JURGENS: Yep.

RC: In the books these days, the "magic weakness" is almost never there.

DAN JURGENS: I know. I know. Straight up? Superman is more powerful, but because of the magic weakness . . . but because of the magic component, Thor wins.

RC: In your opinion, is Superman is a lot more powerful than Thor?

DAN JURGENS: Yeah.

RC: Wow. When you worked on DC Vs. Marvel and pitted Quicksilver against Flash, you guys had boosted Quicksilver up to the speed of sound while Flash was running at multiples of the speed of light or whatever . . . would you say that Superman is as many times more powerful than Thor or the Hulk as Flash is as many times faster than Quicksilver?

DAN JURGENS: Yes.

RC: Wouldn’t that make Superman, like, millions of times more powerful than Thor?

DAN JURGENS: Yes.

Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments

This Jurgens guy sounds like a Superman fanboi, I would not say million times more powerful. Thor is also pretty powerful, but I'll give Superman the better odds of winning a fight.

Like ELEVEN to NINE?

http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208&q=Dan%20Jurgens
Dan Jurgens:This is a perfect example of why I don't make it a habit to frequent these boards. Any implication that I'm backtracking here to cover my behind is wrong.

I meant only to clarify a statement. I do not believe Superman is a million times stronger than Thor. I do not see how anyone in their right mind could think so.

Originally posted by Silent Master
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208&q=Dan%20Jurgens
[b]Dan Jurgens:This is a perfect example of why I don't make it a habit to frequent these boards. Any implication that I'm backtracking here to cover my behind is wrong.

I meant only to clarify a statement. I do not believe Superman is a million times stronger than Thor. I do not see how anyone in their right mind could think so. [/B]

Originally posted by Silent Master
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=040224035208&q=Dan%20Jurgens
[b]Dan Jurgens:This is a perfect example of why I don't make it a habit to frequent these boards. Any implication that I'm backtracking here to cover my behind is wrong.

I meant only to clarify a statement. I do not believe Superman is a million times stronger than Thor. I do not see how anyone in their right mind could think so. [/B]

Yes anyone can see it was a hyperbole. What he obviously meant was he believed Superman is substantially stronger.