Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, like he didn't give Desak a hell of a fight.
Didn't you get the memo? Thor lost to Tutinax and got punked by Taurus, he's a weakling now and other appearances don't matter.
We also have to ignore the less than stellar (Even embarrassing depending on where you think he ranks) showings Superman had in the last few years.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Aren't you the dude who thinks that Superman is ten times stronger than Thor?So both sides are blood lusted? Then yes, he would, at least if Superman goes for the raw strength approach.
That may very well be true but I can't read minds so until the OP clarifies, I'm assuming he is.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't you get the memo? Thor lost to Tutinax and got punked by Taurus, he's a weakling now and other appearances don't matter.We also have to ignore the less than stellar (Even embarrassing depending on where you think he ranks) showings Superman had in the last few years.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would he do that? He would know that thor is a god of thunder and he knows about his weaknesses. This is a "to death" fight. You might be right, but its meaningless to have a functionally immortal being in a to death match.
Because inhibited by rage, character's don't always think straight and he's brawled often enough, even when desperate or pissed off, that's it's a very possible scenario.
So what? I've seen far stupider threads.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo what? I've seen far stupider threads.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=560512
never forgot about this one. The OP makes me laugh every time I read it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Aren't you the dude who thinks that Superman is ten times stronger than Thor?
If you're referring to me, yeah, I think he is, and I base that on the WM showings for Thor, as well as a comparison of the best strength feats of both characters. But like I've said, the Hulk is a billion times stronger than Doctor Strange, but I still think Dr. Strange is going to massacre the Hulk in a fight. Thor with his hammer, against Superman is a wash IMO, mainly because of all the things Thor can do with it. Without it, he doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=560512never forgot about this one. The OP makes me laugh every time I read it.
That. Is. Hilarious.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because inhibited by rage, character's don't always think straight and he's brawled often enough, even when desperate or pissed off, that's it's a very possible scenario.So what? I've seen far stupider threads.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If you're referring to me, yeah, I think he is, and I base that on the WM showings for Thor,
Yes, you. Which showings would that be exactly? And just to be clear, you do realize that Thor gaining an amp of ten times was mentioned only once, for most intents and purposes, it's just him seeing red.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
as well as a comparison of the best strength feats of both characters.
And you came to the conclusion that Superman is ten times stronger than Thor? What feats and fights have you been reading?
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
But like I've said, the Hulk is a billion times stronger than Doctor Strange, but I still think Dr. Strange is going to massacre the Hulk in a fight. Thor with his hammer, against Superman is a wash IMO, mainly because of all the things Thor can do with it. Without it, he doesn't stand a chance.
Alright.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not herochat. There is no rule stating that characters would fight exactly like they do in majority. He's not stated to be in mindless grief in this fight. Yeah, carv's threads for example.mhmm
I assume characters would fight like they do most of the time in a similar scenario.
Superman has fought like a brick even when blood lusted or desperate. He's done it more than a few times actually. Even when he beat down Darkseid, he used speed to avoid the Omega Effect and went into beat him down with my fists mode.
I'm not saying Superman has to fight like a brick, but based on his track record, you can't honestly say that it isn't the likelier scenario. If Thor was busting out weather effects and such, I'd be more inclined to believe he'd use it, but neither of these two get versatile purely out of convenience often.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, you. Which showings would that be exactly? And just to be clear, you do realize that Thor gaining an amp of ten times was mentioned only once, for most intents and purposes, it's just him seeing red.And you came to the conclusion that Superman is ten times stronger than Thor? What feats and fights have you been reading?
Alright.
Well, I've already gone over this in another thread (I can't remember which one) so I don't want to do it again really, but in brief off the top of my head:
Thor has a few really impressive strength showings (like the world engine feat) but not NEARLY as many really high end strength feats as Superman. And Thor's strength HAS been shown to have limits many times (lifting Asgard for example, off the top of my head).
Superman lifting infinite weight multiple times, lifting black holes, shattering time and space with his punches, etc. shows Superman's strength is pretty much as high as it needs to be for any given task. His durability is also INSANE.
This is not to knock Thor, because I love Thor, but in terms of durability and strength, in my opinion at least, because that's all comic book debates are after all, Superman is in a higher class than Thor.
Thor though with his hammer can contain blasts that can destroy 1/5 of the universe, make vortexes, teleport skyfathers against their will, drain people's souls, energy manipulation, blasts and re-direction, etc. And to me, that's what makes the fight between the two a wash.
this is a one sided fight and is designed to favor supes. Peter and ben are no factors and cannot even inflict damage on supes. Removing thors hammer you just took half of thors powers away. this is like saying........
thor with all his powers vs supes minus is speed , HV,superbreath etc....
supes wins this fight.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, I've already gone over this in another thread (I can't remember which one) so I don't want to do it again really, but in brief off the top of my head:Thor has a few really impressive strength showings (like the world engine feat) but not NEARLY as many really high end strength feats as Superman. And Thor's strength HAS been shown to have limits many times (lifting Asgard for example, off the top of my head).
Superman lifting infinite weight multiple times, lifting black holes, shattering time and space with his punches, etc. shows Superman's strength is pretty much as high as it needs to be for any given task. His durability is also INSANE.
This is not to knock Thor, because I love Thor, but in terms of durability and strength, in my opinion at least, because that's all comic book debates are after all, Superman is in a higher class than Thor.
Thor though with his hammer can contain blasts that can destroy 1/5 of the universe, make vortexes, teleport skyfathers against their will, drain people's souls, energy manipulation, blasts and re-direction, etc. And to me, that's what makes the fight between the two a wash.
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The superman that thor fight, was it pc or post crisis?
The superman that hulk Fight was pc, and it seems sans cis (hulk getting tired),if superman kept still and let hulk punch him hulk would of eventually reach his strength level imo.
First nothing, then vibrations, than greater vibrations, than superman starts blocking etc
And thats PC superman.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, I've already gone over this in another thread (I can't remember which one) so I don't want to do it again really, but in brief off the top of my head:
Indulge me, please.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor has a few really impressive strength showings (like the world engine feat) but not NEARLY as many really high end strength feats as Superman.
It's true that Superman has more high end, completely non combat related, strength feats, but Thor has enough under his belt, that the number difference in no way supports the argument that he's ten times weaker.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And Thor's strength HAS been shown to have limits many times (lifting Asgard for example, off the top of my head).
What do you mean limits? Coming across someone who's stronger than him or struggling to lift something with help? Superman has plenty of those as well, I've never really focused on this aspect but I doubt Thor has more of those type of showings than Superman.
Out of curiosity, do you mean when he lifted Asgard with Beta Ray Bill? If so, LOL, I'm gonna rock your world with some of the shit that happened in the New Krypton arc.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman lifting infinite weight multiple times, lifting black holes, shattering time and space with his punches, etc. shows Superman's strength is pretty much as high as it needs to be for any given task. His durability is also INSANE.
Midgard Serpent, Kronan Ray, World Engine, Dimensional Barrier etc.
For the record, Superman hasn't lifted infinite weight or black holes multiple times, unless I've missed a few feats, and there is some context to note regarding that Infinite Crisis showing.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This is not to knock Thor, because I love Thor, but in terms of durability and strength, in my opinion at least, because that's all comic book debates are after all, Superman is in a higher class than Thor.Thor though with his hammer can contain blasts that can destroy 1/5 of the universe, make vortexes, teleport skyfathers against their will, drain people's souls, energy manipulation, blasts and re-direction, etc. And to me, that's what makes the fight between the two a wash.
I strongly disagree with your stance.