PillarofOsiris
Senior Member
Superman IS stronger than Thor. Even the Byrne-Era Superman had at least one strength feat that is at least comparable to the Midgard Serpent, if not more impressive, in moving a space ship the size of a small moon through hyperspace(which he said was the tough part).
Superman's also single-handedly pulled Darkseid from The Source Wall(which was a feat he wasn't sure was possible, and at this point he had already done such mind-boggling feats like helped move the Moon at near-lightspeed, contained a miniature black hole in his hands, and helped slow down the "weight of eternity," and yet he wasn't sure if this was even possible. By comparison, it took Supergil, Power Girl, Linda Danvers, Cir-El and what looked like a Silver Age Supergirl to pull Superman from The Source Wall, and I don't see Thor equaling the combined strength of five alternate Supergirls), Superman broke Wonder Woman's forearm by GRABBING it and applying pressure, OVER HER PROTECTIVE BRACELETS, and Wonder Woman even stated before that, when Superman was hitting her and she blocked them, that they can only take so much. When time was being ****ed with, Superman even destroyed them in another instance when he killed Wonder Woman. And how durable are these? They've deflected the Omega Beams and also deflected a combined blast from the entire Greek Pantheon.
Superman has even "shattered the boundaries of space and time" as a SIDE-EFFECT of his punches when he fought Kal-L while INFINITE CRISIS was going on. The only comparable example I know of for Thor is something along the lines of sending a shockwave through-out reality, which not only is not as impressive as shattering space/time, but was essentially a shared feat(as it happened when two Mjolnirs COLLIDED as opposed to space/time shattering on the punch's impact), and had mystical energy involved. So it required help, Mjolnir, and wasn't even a pure strength feat, on top of even ignoring those was less impressive.
Then we also have Superman lifting a book with infinite pages. Even if he had help, it was due to he wasn't sure if it could be lifted. And his dimensional counter-part showed he could lift it on his own, so yes, Superman could've lifted it on his own. Considering Superman's high-end strength feats, things like grabbing, breaking the forward momentum and throwing with relative ease a space ship the size of a small moon after it came out of hyperspace(Post-DEATH OF SUPERMAN/RETURN OF SUPERMAN power-up, but before the Mongul Jr. training), moving a space ship the size of a small moon through hyperspace(Byrne-era), bracing the Moon from being moved out of it's orbit by "Alchemical Engines" using "geometrically increasing force,"(I believe this was before the Mongul Jr. training that further increased his power) nearly punching the Moon out of orbit while suffering from Kryptonite poisoning(also Pre-Mongul Jr. training), one-shotting an asteroid that had to be much larger than Mars(also Post-DEATH OF SUPERMAN but Pre-Mongul Jr.), and others are really average by comparison.
Whereas many of Thor's high-end feats are merely just comparable to Superman's fairly average feats. And if you want to talk relative strength, you bring-up fighting Hulk. Superman's got being able to briefly overwhelm DOOMSDAY, has held his own against Superboy Prime(someone who easily broke-out of the dimensional prison when it took Kal-L, who's roughly equal to Superman, much longer to break out of, had moved planets at faster than lightspeed to rearrange the universe so Oa was no longer at it's center, and, unless there was a retcon, Kal-L wasn't losing his powers, yet Superboy Prime was still able to beat him nearly to death before Superman interrupted while Superboy Prime was rapidly losing his powers, and Kal-L was hurt badly enough to be killed), he was able to throw both Ursa and Non(both Kryptonians, but Non is the Kryptonian equivalent of a genetic freak like Brock Lesnar. off when they were trying to restrain him. He's thrown off 5 Kryptonian Soldiers attempting to restrain him(when they all had a leverage advantage and were using two arms to restrain a single arm or leg, with the fifth putting Superman in a headlock).
Even before the Mongul Jr. training, the combined strength of Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Big Barda, Linda Danvers Supergirl, Steel and Superboy were barely capable of restraining Superman, AFTER he had been fighting with Orion. And he fought evenly with Kal-L, an alternate version of him that was also strong enough to "shatter the boundaries of space and time" as a side-effect of his punches, as well as move planets with ease and actually created a SUN with his strength by throwing meteorites into each other with enough force to create the nuclear reaction required for a star to be born. Honestly, it's looking like Superman's a LOT stronger than Thor, considering average feats for Superman are comparable to most of Thor's high-end feats. And Superman's high-end feats dwarf Thor's absolutely best feats. This is a big advantage for Superman.