Superman vs Thor, Colossus and The Thing

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
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A big rant about Superman's higher end showings (Most of which I know of), doesn't prove your point or convince me. I'm also still curious about the evidence you initially listed (The Warrior Madness showing).

You also completely ignored everything else I pointed out, not the best tactic to use in a discussion.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
as well as move planets with ease and actually created a SUN with his strength by throwing meteorites into each other with enough force to create the nuclear reaction required for a star to be born.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
nearly punching the Moon out of orbit while suffering from Kryptonite poisoning(also Pre-Mongul Jr. training), one-shotting an asteroid that had to be much larger than Mars(also Post-DEATH OF SUPERMAN but Pre-Mongul Jr.),

And when has Superman moved planets with ease? Have you actually read any of the planet moving feats shown Post Crisis?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Big Barda, Linda Danvers Supergirl, Steel and Superboy were barely capable of restraining Superman, AFTER he had been fighting with Orion

Barely capable of restraining? Can I have an issue number, because we must be talking about a different scene.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman broke Wonder Woman's forearm by GRABBING it and applying pressure, OVER HER PROTECTIVE BRACELETS, and Wonder Woman even stated before that, when Superman was hitting her and she blocked them, that they can only take so much. When time was being ****ed with, Superman even destroyed them in another instance when he killed Wonder Woman. And how durable are these? They've deflected the Omega Beams and also deflected a combined blast from the entire Greek Pantheon

I also have a problem with the way this line of thinking is going. Wonder Woman's bracers aren't across the board on their high end level, Superman's fists aren't the only things that have circumvented them.

It should be noted, that when he shattered them, it wasn't entirely in the real reality.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
breaking the forward momentum and throwing with relative ease a space ship the size of a small moon after it came out of hyperspace

Okay, I don't think you understand what the word ease means.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The only comparable example I know of for Thor is something along the lines of sending a shockwave through-out reality, which not only is not as impressive as shattering space/time, but was essentially a shared feat(as it happened when two Mjolnirs COLLIDED as opposed to space/time shattering on the punch's impact), and had mystical energy involved. So it required help, Mjolnir, and wasn't even a pure strength feat, on top of even ignoring those was less impressive.

Are you referring to Dargo and Masterson colliding? I don't believe it's less impressive. The force of them striking their hammers sent a shockwave through creation that apparently and they released a force comparable to the Big Bang. I'd usually call that hyperbole but the power released by them was going to be used to collapse all alternate time lines.

Untrue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A big rant about Superman's higher end showings (Most of which I know of), doesn't prove your point or convince me. I'm also still curious about the evidence you initially listed (The Warrior Madness showing).

You also completely ignored everything else I pointed out, not the best tactic to use in a discussion.

I haven't seen any of these showings suprisingly, do you have an issue number?

And when has Superman moved planets with ease? Have you actually read any of the planet moving feats shown Post Crisis?

Barely capable of restraining? Can I have an issue number, because we must be talking about a different scene.

I also have a problem with the way this line of thinking is going. Wonder Woman's bracers aren't across the board on their high end level, Superman's fists aren't the only things that have circumvented them.

It should be noted, that when he shattered them, it wasn't entirely in the real reality.

Okay, I don't think you understand what the word ease means.

Are you referring to Dargo and Masterson colliding? I don't believe it's less impressive. The force of them striking their hammers sent a shockwave through creation that apparently and they released a force comparable to the Big Bang. I'd usually call that hyperbole but the power released by them was going to be used to collapse all alternate time lines.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Extinguishes a star with super-breath

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Superman091-08.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Creates a sun and [b]gently pushes a planet back into orbit

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Superman058-45.jpg [/B]

He was talking about superman 158 or 159 I believe. KOTW, he's right. J'onn clearly said they couldn't hold him for long. It happened again in S/B 32 with j'onn, PG, kilowog, ultraa and a load of other heroes after he was fighting non-stop for days IIRC. The reality was same, just a little altered. Diana had lasso of truth, but her bracelets were weak because superman broke them, right? Who else has threatened to break them? He wasn't any way, shape or form looked uncomfortable tossing that ship. You know that isn't comparable to what happened in IC rage. Kal is stronger than thor, how much its debatable.

Originally posted by Sergeant Rock
thor would probably get owned by almost anyone without the hammer it absorbs all blasts for him etc. He really isn't up to Superman without it, he'd struggle with Wolverine.

😕

It's pretty clear Pillar get most of his fts from the respect thread because he doeant know the context behind any of them.

Originally posted by Sergeant Rock
thor would probably get owned by almost anyone without the hammer it absorbs all blasts for him etc. He really isn't up to Superman without it, he'd struggle with Wolverine.

I wouldn't say that at all. Without the hammer he's basically still Hercules level durability and strength (maybe a little better in both). He can also still control weather and the earth and I'm pretty sure he can fly without it as well. He'd still destroy Wolverine without the hammer, but you are right, he's nowhere close to Superman without the hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
It's pretty clear Pillar get most of his fts from the respect thread because he doeant know the context behind any of them.

This coming from the guy who says the Thing would beat down Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
It's pretty clear Pillar get most of his fts from the respect thread because he doeant know the context behind any of them.

Like you saying the 50 supernova thing was "made up" when it's stated nowhere that it was made up, and it was actually told as a flashback, which obviously confused you into thinking it didn't actually happen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A big rant about Superman's higher end showings (Most of which I know of), doesn't prove your point or convince me.

I'm not sure what you're looking for then. If "ranting" about his high end showings isn't evidence as to how strong Superman is, what am I supposed to do? Rattle off a list of his low showings? I also don't really care if I convince you or not, if you want to ignore all of Superman's high end showings that's your choice. I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Thor is as strong as Superman (besides Carver, who thinks that the Thing would beat down Superman), and I doubt even he would be delusional enough to think Thor without his hammer is lasting very long against Superman at all.

And you say that it was only stated once that Warrior's madness increased his strength tenfold, like that somehow means it doesn't? The fact is, it has been stated it increases his strength tenfold, until I see a comic that says otherwise, that's the evidence i'm going by. If you increased Superman's strength tenfold, he'd be retconning reality with each punch. Thor against Thanos with WM wasn't all that impressive to be honest, considering his strength was supposed to TEN TIMES normal levels.

If you want to look at direct evidence, Superman caught Thor's hammer in one hand and tossed him away. And yes, that's a canon fight despite what Marvel fans wish.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Like you saying the 50 supernova thing was "made up" when it's stated nowhere that it was made up, and it was actually told as a flashback, which obviously confused you into thinking it didn't actually happen.

Read the story, then holla back at me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor would beat current Superman solo. Adding Colossus, who can jump to a higher tier at will, is overkill.

Assuming it's pre-reboot Superman, I'd give him the majority over Thor without his hammer (Although it'd be a good fight) and he could probably beat Colossus through battle field removal (At least eventually) but together? His going to be grabbing his ankles sooner or later.

Thing is useless in either situation.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thor is physically stronger and more powerful than superman.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t368668.html

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Thats simply because marvel doesnt write characters doing ridiculous high end level things like that and never will, even though there is no writer who would say superman is stronger than thor physically.

All writers know and definitely would say that Superman is stronger. But who will win in a fight is where they may vary.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This coming from the guy who says the Thing would beat down Superman.

Carver said that speed is unrelated to distance and time. I wouldn't put any ludicrous claim past him.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Superman gets one shotted by either Thor or Colossus and gets beat down by Thing imo.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Carver said that speed is unrelated to distance and time. I wouldn't put any ludicrous claim past him.

Carver also said that space flight doesn't equal combat speed and proved this by showing Vulcan traveling ftl through space but failing to stop a sniper bullet (and you claimed that since the bullet was shot by an alien, so it must was going ftl...what kind of comback is that..wtf). I also showed you Ironman flying through space at light. Showed you Super Skrull, Rogue, Magneto flying 99% the speed of light through space, Ms. Marvel, Captain Mar-vell...none of these people can combat at light.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris

Show me some fts that suggest Current Supes can beat Thor and Colossonaut. Go visit respect threads like you tend to do.

Originally posted by guy222
kind reminder supes isn't goin to speedblitz everyone yet alone one who has juggernaut's power

b real friends

said before, i know kmc rules, but all citing supes speedblitzes for wins isn't a fair and just way for a win and to me borderline sillyness it is what it is 😛

for me and i'm 45 years young, the team wins

carry on

Originally posted by Sergeant Rock
Thor is silly without the Hammer. Seriously without the Hammer he isn't even classic Hercules level.

Originally posted by carver9
Carver also said that space flight doesn't equal combat speed and proved this by showing Vulcan traveling ftl through space but failing to stop a sniper bullet (and you claimed that since the bullet was shot by an alien, so it must was going ftl...what kind of comback is that..wtf). I also showed you Ironman flying through space at light. Showed you Super Skrull, Rogue, Magneto flying 99% the speed of light through space, Ms. Marvel, Captain Mar-vell...none of these people can combat at light.

Um, Vulcan did stop that bullet. And you can't apply earth standards to alien tech anyway. There was no timeframe provided for the Iron Man thing. Accelerating to relativistic speed in space with continuous thrust is inevitable, if you understood basic physics. This is why reaction feats are also important, but you ignore them...

Originally posted by carver9
Carver also said that space flight doesn't equal combat speed and proved this by showing Vulcan traveling ftl through space but failing to stop a sniper bullet (and you claimed that since the bullet was shot by an alien, so it must was going ftl...what kind of comback is that..wtf). I also showed you Ironman flying through space at light. Showed you Super Skrull, Rogue, Magneto flying 99% the speed of light through space, Ms. Marvel, Captain Mar-vell...none of these people can combat at light.

What does that have to do with time and distance?