The Sith Who Posed The Greatest Threat

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
For your kind information, you need to support your arguments with canonical sources. You have yet to do this.

Also, I am CORRECTING you on several misconceptions that you have harbored about both Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow. Your liking of these characters is your personal matter but your ridiculous arguments in their favor will get you nowhere but rather reduce your credibility.

Also, Darth Nyriss was no one's puppet. She was very cunning and powerful. And she was planning to eliminate Vitiate; she was this much independent.

And so what if Nyriss got disposed off by Revan? You think that Revan was a joke or something?

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
WHY dont YOU Just Read Marka Ragnos's and Naga Sadow's Biography? most of what i said is also there, my credibility is going NO WHERE DOWN, and you think "YOUR" CORRECTING ME? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! dont make me belittle what little Intelligence you THINK you may have, THINK WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO before you Text it.

Try to figure out that why several members (including me) have disagreed with you. Maybe you will realize your misconceptions in the process.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
and No a fully Reborn Revan is No small fry but he Turned NYRISS'S own power against her and rushed to Viliate's room, thats disposing of someone in a short matters notice if you didnt learn that already.

Originally posted by thisforumisdead
This isn't very accurate. Vitiate's Empire had over 1,300 years to rebuild and prepare itself for war, in virtual obscurity and without conflict. Meanwhile, the Republic and Jedi Order were on the verge of extinction thanks to Revan and his war, followed by the Sith Triumvirate. They were a shell of their former selves when the Sith Empire attacked. Hardly an even battle.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You think that I have never done any reading on these two characters? 🙄

Also, try to figure out that why several members (including me) have disagreed with you. Maybe you will realize your misconceptions in the process.

It shows Revan's power. He was reputed to be the Jedi Order's greatest champion.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
IT dosent Matter how many People disagree with me, My Aim was Never getting other opinions to agree with Factual.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
and Maybe you will realize who "your" talking to in the future along with realizing everyone else's Misconceptions

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
and unknowing Contradictions Including "YOURS" the only Reason you even support Darth Viliate's Power, whether or Not you admit it, is Because The books reffering to Viliate went into more detail about His Power and Capabilitys.

Even in the recently released Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia, Vitiate has been once again acknowledged as the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
He was the APPRENTICE of Marka Ragnos, what do you expect of the Most Powerful Sith lord'S APPRENTICE even says so on Marka's Biography KNOWN APPRENTICES, Trenbrae/Darth Viliate.

Also, even if the claim of Vitiate being one of the apprentices of Marka Ragnos is accepted; it proves nothing. It is just an indication that Vitiate received formal Sith training from Marka Ragnos.

Apprentices can surpass their masters in power. And this has happened many times.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your need to PROVE your information first before you declare it to be FACTUAL. You are arguing for APPLES with ORANGES.

Let me guess! You have ancient mindset. Hello! Star Wars lore have made considerable progress.

Darth Nyriss revealed that Vitiate surpassed all ancient Sith Lords in power.

Even in the recently released Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia, Vitiate has been once again acknowledged as the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

First of all, it is unclear at the moment if Vitiate was even a proper apprentice of Marka Ragnos because Vitiate spent most of his time in ruling Nathema and exploring Sith Lore on his own.

Also, even if the claim of Vitiate being one of the apprentices of Marka Ragnos is accepted; it proves nothing. It is just an indication that Vitiate received formal Sith training from Marka Ragnos.

Apprentices can surpass their masters in power. And this has happened many times.

Being someone's master doesn't mean they're stronger. In fact, doesn't that imply Ragnos's master was stronger still? And the most powerful Sith ever would be the strongest of the original 12?

This isn't very accurate. Vitiate's Empire had over 1,300 years to rebuild and prepare itself for war, in virtual obscurity and without conflict. Meanwhile, the Republic and Jedi Order were on the verge of extinction thanks to Revan and his war, followed by the Sith Triumvirate. They were a shell of their former selves when the Sith Empire attacked. Hardly an even battle.

And the Sith Empire had centuries pre-hyperspace war with no noted major competitors without getting close to that, and the Republic had literally centuries post-Revan/Triumvirate to rebuild, they weren't still weak when Vitiate struck.

Star Wars Logic
WHY dont YOU Just Read Marka Ragnos's and Naga Sadow's Biography?

I did, and that's why I rate several Sith as posing a greater threat than him. He was a strong ruler with local ambitions, and local ambitions and greatest threat are not synonyms.

The five most militarily successful-dangerous Sith were Sidious, Krayt, Ruin, Vitiate, and Revan.

The two Sith that were the most dangerous in terms of force threat were Vitiate and Nihilus.

The three Sith that were the most threatening in terms of plagues or similar things were Muur, Maladi, and Drear.

Originally posted by Q99
And the Sith Empire had centuries pre-hyperspace war with no noted major competitors without getting close to that, and the Republic had literally centuries post-Revan/Triumvirate to rebuild, they weren't still weak when Vitiate struck.

I did, and that's why I rate several Sith as posing a greater threat than him. He was a strong ruler with local ambitions, and local ambitions and greatest threat are not synonyms.

The five most militarily successful-dangerous Sith were Sidious, Krayt, Ruin, Vitiate, and Revan.

The two Sith that were the most dangerous in terms of force threat were Vitiate and Nihilus.

The three Sith that were the most threatening in terms of plagues or similar things were Muur, Maladi, and Drear.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Basicly you are a Closed MINDED person arguing about your Favorite Characters Vs THE GREATEST Sith lords, this is going no where since you are not Open MINDED LIKE i am and all the Factual Messages Conserning Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow proved that, Stop arguing twords this subject and move on. Talking to a Closed Minded person is NO different from talking to a Brick Wall, NOTHING GETS THROUGH 😄

Uh, are you sure you aren't talking about yourself?

I mean, you haven't actually said what Ragnos or Sadow did that's more threatening than these other Sith.

When saying who's 'the greatest threat,' that's something that can be measured. More territory, more lives, bigger enemies defeated, longer wars, etc..

Originally posted by Q99
Uh, are you sure you aren't talking about yourself?

I mean, you haven't actually said what Ragnos or Sadow did that's more threatening than these other Sith.

When saying who's 'the greatest threat,' that's something that can be measured. More territory, more lives, bigger enemies defeated, longer wars, etc..

Of im not talking about MYSELF,

No, you're totally talking about yourself. You're describing what you're doing.

i was just Sating the 2 Sith Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow are the biggest Threats against the Jedi,

Even though one never faced the Jedi, and the other faced the Jedi and lost in under a year while other Sith killed far more and did decade-long campaigns where they were winning?

They aren't the biggest threats because one didn't even try and the other tried and failed, when others have tried and did much, much better.

but biggest threats twords the REPUBLIC would have to Be Darth Bane Since he Destoryed the REPUBLIC once.

... no he didn't, he destroyed the Sith of the time with the Thought Bomb, and started the Rule or Two, where one of his successors, Sidious, destroyed the Republic a thousand years later.

and i HAVE STATED what both Ragnos and Sadow are capable of I think you havent been reading the messages i posted,

And I have stated what they actually did and how other people have done stuff that, in practice, ended up being bigger threats.

Which you are ignoring.

You cannot win an argument with ignoring, and you're doing a lot of ignoring.

You're just resorting to ad hominem, calling people close minding, because you know you can't win with facts.

Originally posted by Q99
No, you're totally talking about yourself. You're describing what you're doing.

Even though one never faced the Jedi, and the other faced the Jedi and lost in under a year while other Sith killed far more and did decade-long campaigns where they were winning?

They aren't the biggest threats because one didn't even try and the other tried and failed, when others have tried and did much, much better.

... no he didn't, he destroyed the Sith of the time with the Thought Bomb, and started the Rule or Two, where one of his successors, Sidious, destroyed the Republic a thousand years later.

And I have stated what they actually did and how other people have done stuff that, in practice, ended up being bigger threats.

Which you are ignoring.

You cannot win an argument with ignoring, and you're doing a lot of ignoring.

You're just resorting to ad hominem, calling people close minding, because you know you can't win with facts.

How the **** did Marka teach anybody how to fight with Lightsabers, I thought he never had access to them.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
YOU just proved my P.O.I.NT and Contradicted yours. you arent sure whether to say Viliate was a former apprentice of Marka Ragnos,

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
and what you said about Apprentices Surpassing their Masters is True, and Since Viliate was Ragnos's apprentice why didnt he surpass Ragnos and become Both Ruler of Naethema and the Golden Empire?

So Vitiate's story has been canonically adjusted in this manner:

In-universe perspective: Vitiate did not participated in politics of the ancient Sith Empire during his rule over Nathema. This is the reason that why he did not acted against Marka Ragnos.

Please use common sense.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
because he wasnt Strong enough and he knew this which is why he Isolated himself in the Studys of Riturals and Research so that 1 day he will Succeed Ragnos as a Dark Lord Of The Sith but NEVER in actuallity. looks like "your" the one arguing over apple 💃 Viliate didnt Surpass Ragnos in Physical power nor Force power since he learned it all From Ragnos. Thats a Fact that has proof to come along with it, but its up to you to investigate what i have said in order for you to Find Truth in it or else you are going to be here for the next hour Asking Questions and making smart Remarks and getting NO Answers. and Viliate is Acknowledged as ONE of the most powerful in History, a Contender for most powerful.

First learn to accept canon and then talk.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
How the **** did Marka teach anybody how to fight with Lightsabers, I thought he never had access to them.

I shall note I have read the actual story with Marka Ragnos within the last month.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
How the **** did Marka teach anybody how to fight with Lightsabers, I thought he never had access to them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No. This claim (made by you originally) requires confirmation. So confirm this with a canonical source/reference.

[B]Real-world perspective: Vitiate is a much more recent entry in Star Wars lore then Marka Ragnos and the story of the latter has not been changed/retconned because too much literature was at stake.

So Vitiate's story has been canonically adjusted in this manner:

In-universe perspective: Vitiate did not participated in politics of the ancient Sith Empire during his rule over Nathema. This is the reason that why he did not acted against Marka Ragnos.

Please use common sense.

Your "assumptions" (not factual information as you put) are BASELESS.

First learn to accept canon and then talk.

This guy seems to be making stuff about Ragnos. He has yet to cite a single source to verify his claims. [/B]

i dont believe false information nor Distribute it.

That's your problem, you assume that if you believe it, it's not false.

It can be wrong even if you believe it. You can work off of bad sources or incorrect assumptions just like anyone else. You are not always right.

In Ragnos's Biography he was Achknowledged as the Most P.O.W.E.R.F.U.L force user in both the J.E.D.I&S.I.T.H history he was never defeated in battle during his lifetime,

Palpatine is noted by Lucas to be the most powerful Sith ever.

And Anakin had the highest potential. And Luke reached the highest level.

Sorry, Ragnos was the strongest of his time, but he wasn't the strongest ever,

Ragnos was impressed by the young Trenbrae's power and ambition but NOT Impressed enough to take him as a THREAT out of his many Sith enemys,

Of course, the kid was a kid at that point.

But he then trained, grew a lot stronger, and developed for centuries.

which is a Big Achievement, but also he Begain to Feed off of their Life Force and Absorbed their Power through the Force, and even with that he didnt go down into the Jedi's History as their greatest Threat and Most powerful force user itself, ONLY RAGNOS did and even states that on his Biography,

Ragnos wasn't a threat to the Jedi at all, though. He never met a Jedi.

The Jedi wouldn't even know how strong he was, they literally have no way of knowing.

All you're telling us here is that he had a biographer who was wrong about how dangerous he was. That there was a biographer who thought he was the best ever, but it was an unreliable narrator.

Nor would the biographer know about stuff past the biographer's time, so if he was pre-Vitiate then he wouldn't know that Vitiate had become a much bigger threat.

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true, you have to consider the source.

Originally posted by Q99
That's your problem, you assume that if you believe it, it's not false.

It can be wrong even if you believe it. You can work off of bad sources or incorrect assumptions just like anyone else. You are not always right.

Palpatine is noted by Lucas to be the most powerful Sith ever.

And Anakin had the highest potential. And Luke reached the highest level.

Sorry, Ragnos was the strongest of his time, but he wasn't the strongest ever,

Of course, the kid was a kid at that point.

But he then trained, grew a lot stronger, and developed for centuries.

Ragnos wasn't a threat to the Jedi at all, though. He never met a Jedi.

The Jedi wouldn't even know how strong he was, they literally have no way of knowing.

All you're telling us here is that he had a biographer who was wrong about how dangerous he was. That there was a biographer who thought he was the best ever, but it was an unreliable narrator.

Nor would the biographer know about stuff past the biographer's time, so if he was pre-Vitiate then he wouldn't know that Vitiate had become a much bigger threat.

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true, you have to consider the source.

Sidious is noted by characters and writers of his power. Besides, he has actual feats to back up his rep.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In that case Im gna piss everyone off and say: The Son 😱