Combat speed: Thor Vs Lobo Vs Hulk Vs Doomsday

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!

There's also this from Jurgens own mouth describing the dos Doomsday scene.

DAN JURGENS: Yeah. Yeah.

Here’s a secret: I use competitive athletics as logic for how superhero fights and battles take place. You see this all the time . . . take a very-well established team. A new team, that supposedly has no chance to win, comes into town and beats their [butt]. And why does it happen? It’s because the supposed stronger, better team takes it for granted that they are going to win and [underestimates] the tactics that their opponent is using. It happens all the time.

I apply that to superheroes, as well. I think that with the first contact with Doomsday, the entire Justice League, and certainly Superman, were [B]slow to realize exactly what they were dealing with. First [Doomsday] was just a guy marching through the wilderness. We called him a force of nature, and that’s really how we saw him at the time-but there was that slowness to react.

Add to that that Superman has side concerns at the same time-he’s going to save this block of the city, he’s going to save this kid from falling out the window, this kid from dying in the fire-and it makes [beating Doomsday] difficult. [/B]

I've read it. I'm the one who posted part of this interview and linked it in the other thread.

This is talking about the Justice League's reaction and realization of what they were dealing with, not Doomsday's attack speed.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I've read it. I'm the one who posted part of this interview and linked it in the other thread.

This is talking about the Justice League's reaction and realization of what they were dealing with, not Doomsday's attack speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There isn't anything quantifiable to Dd's attack speed. Bricks hit speedsters all the time but I guess it only matters in specific instances. DD isn't fast or anywhere near as fast as Superman. Will Superman still struggle with beating him; absolutely. This is how comic book fights go down. They weren't familiar with DD and were in populated areas against an unknown opponent which made the situation even more difficult.

I'm guess I'm confused as to why you posted that piece of the interview and bolded the "slowness to react" parts of it.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm guess I'm confused as to why you posted that piece of the interview and bolded the "slowness to react" parts of it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because they were slow to react to him. They were still reacting to the situation with no information on him. Doomsday doesn't possess super speed.

/facepalm

Just because they didn't realize the magnitude of power that DD had doesn't discredit his superspeed.

Originally posted by Odekahn
/facepalm

Just because they didn't realize the magnitude of power that DD had doesn't discredit his superspeed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There isn't anything quantifiable to Dd's attack speed. Bricks hit speedsters all the time but I guess it only matters in specific instances. DD isn't fast or anywhere near as fast as Superman. Will Superman still struggle with beating him; absolutely. This is how comic book fights go down. They weren't familiar with DD and were in populated areas against an unknown opponent which made the situation even more difficult.

But grade A speedsters never complain about another's speed if the other isn't a true grade A speedster.

But no one has ever claimed that a being was faster than the fastest being in the universe.

And non grade A speedsters can't hit 5 people at the same time (including Superman). It's impossible. Otherwise prove that a non grade A speedster can.

A non grade A speedster can't cover miles before it takes a being with legit superspeed and reflexes to turn around.

Note: The last two sentences ARE quantifiable speed feats for DD.

Originally posted by h1a8
But grade A speedsters never complain about another's speed if the other isn't a true grade A speedster.

But no one has ever claimed that a being was faster than the fastest being in the universe.

And non grade A speedsters can't hit 5 people at the same time (including Superman). It's impossible. Otherwise prove that a non grade A speedster can.

A non grade A speedster can't cover miles before it takes a being with legit superspeed and reflexes to turn around.

Note: The last two sentences ARE quantifiable speed feats for DD.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then post an example of his superspeed. A brick presenting a problem to someone with far greater speed happens all the time in comics.

Sure, but how often to the speedsters complain about said brick's speed?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Sure, but how often to the speedsters complain about said brick's speed?

Originally posted by Odekahn
I want a story arc where his speed (not for his size) is heavily showcased.

But that's only part of what I wanted you to comment on. I want you to comment on what I said previously about the tense that's used in the quote and panel you and ODB claim is only a flyby that illustrates Superman's speed.

But speed wasn't heavily mentioned for Doomsday though. Then there are scenes proving that Doomsday wasnt fighting at the speed you all are trying to pretend he was fighting at.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk accelerates and covers great distances quickly as well. He isn't a speedster. We see bricks tag Superman and other speedsters all the time. With Hulk it's always well it's stupid they weren't fighting using their best abilities but with this oh yeah Doomsday is a speedster. DD is a brick and poses a problem just like bricks before him and bricks after him. It's that simple.

It's not because he CAN hit Superman and other speedsters that makes DD fast. It's what he does that makes him fast. How he slammed Guy without him even seeing DD move. Maxima being surprised by DD's speed, then is ready for him and still gets blitzed. How people saw them as blurs (I'm still waiting on carver to answer me about that panel). How his speed is referenced without his size being factored in. Booster's hyperbolic statement. Even though we know he's not as fast as Flash, that was a statement to get a point across... that Doomsday is FAST. Not fast "for his size" but FAST.

Originally posted by Odekahn
It's not because he CAN hit Superman and other speedsters that makes DD fast. It's what he does that makes him fast. How he slammed Guy without him even seeing DD move. Maxima being surprised by DD's speed, then is ready for him and still gets blitzed. How people saw them as blurs (I'm still waiting on carver to answer me about that panel). How his speed is referenced without his size being factored in. Booster's hyperbolic statement. Even though we know he's not as fast as Flash, that was a statement to get a point across... that Doomsday is FAST. Not fast "for his size" but FAST.

Originally posted by carver9
But speed wasn't heavily mentioned for Doomsday though. Then there are scenes proving that Doomsday was fighting at the speed you all are trying to pretend he was fighting at.

You STILL aren't answering my question about that panel.

And yes, speed is heavily mentioned for Doomsday. You're right, you must not remember and you do need to go back and read it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All bricks who present problems to faster characters can fight fast enough to present a problem otherwise they aren't a threat. DD has no quantifiable speed feats yet he's a speedster now. It's just ridiculous.

He's not a speedster like Flash, he's got superspeed while attacking. If he could only fight fast enough to pose a problem, they wouldn't be complaining about his speed all throughout the book.

Originally posted by Odekahn
He's not a speedster like Flash, he's got superspeed while attacking. If he could only fight fast enough to pose a problem, they wouldn't be complaining about his speed all throughout the book.

Originally posted by Odekahn
You STILL aren't answering my question about that panel.

And yes, speed is heavily mentioned for Doomsday. You're right, you must not remember and you do need to go back and read it.

I already answered that question. The scan clearly shows Superman loving at a blur speed while bull rushing Doomsday. Doomsday showed nothing during that scene to indicate the onlooker were talking about him.

I guess Konvikt>>>Hulk in speed since he reacted to Flash and hit him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like any other brick like Grundy, General, Konvikt, etc. They are all threats whose combat speed poses a problem despite them lacking quantifiable feats anywhere near Superman or the Flash's.

But you don't see a team of characters repeatedly referencing a character's speed, do you?

Originally posted by carver9
I already answered that question. The scan clearly shows Superman loving at a blur speed while bull rushing Doomsday. Doomsday showed nothing during that scene to indicate the onlooker were talking about him.

No you didn't. If that scene is just a flyby only, why is the blur reference in present tense and not past tense?