Originally posted by Parmaniac
And that's the crackpoint now suddenly everything is Superman fast, Steel also fought DD (not the same DD I know). Going by this unquantifable speed equivalation I can make legit cases of Spider-man and others being FTL.
Booster gold fought Doomsday again as well and held his own. Briefly.
Originally posted by carver9
We clearly see Superman rushing Doomsday. The only person that was a blur during that scene was Superman...Superman taking Doomsday with him caused Doomsday to move in a blur fashion as well since he was bullrushed.
You aren't addressing my point. Why was it said in present tense instead of past tense? Because they are watching them fight, not just a flyby.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
And that's the crackpoint now suddenly everything is Superman fast, Steel also fought DD (not the same DD I know). Going by this unquantifable speed equivalation I can make legit cases of Spider-man and others being FTL.
Exactly.
It's the exact same case people use to argue that Hulk has super speed... and yet everyone who believes it's a viable argument for Doomsday laughs and shits all over the Hulk argument. Crazy double standard.
FYI Hulk and Doomsday fanboys are both wrong. Neither of the characters have a level of super speed worth talking about, BUT if one of them does than the both do. Anyone capable of forming an objective train of thought should be able to see that.
Originally posted by Galan007
I bet he'll think what any logical person would think. 😛Hardly any bricks have so consistently been regarded to be as fast as DD.
Whether or not DD has super-speed I will not get into too heavily. I think if you weight the characters statements (who have super speed) as literal.. then sure he's pretty fast. However, he doesn't really have any quantifiable speed feats to place hiim where people are wanting to place him. So, I guess it just depends on what you want to weight the most.
That said buddy, I wouldn't say he's consistently been regarded as fast. Rex, Wars even HP... didn't have nearly the references that DOS had.. wouldn't you agree?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just told you... like five minutes ago...But the reported Superman was talking to was baseline human. Everything that happened in DOS took place in a speed that was slow enough that normal humans could fallow the action. That can't be argued. Normal human perception is a constant, Superman's speed is a variable, we don't know how fast was moving, but we do know normal people could perceive his fight. Ipso facto Superman's speed was nerfed.
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I don't see how you can be serious.
Bottom line: Doomsday has feats of speed. Doomsday has people telling other people how fast he is.
How does he not have speed? Because some humans managed to pick it up on a news camera?
There's more evidence for him having speed (outside DOS too), than there is against it. 😬
Originally posted by Parmaniac
And that's the crackpoint now suddenly everything is Superman fast, Steel also fought DD (not the same DD I know). Going by this unquantifable speed equivalation I can make legit cases of Spider-man and others being FTL.
That isn't what I'm saying at all.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Exactly.It's the exact same case people use to argue that Hulk has super speed... and yet everyone who believes it's a viable argument for Doomsday laughs and shits all over the Hulk argument. Crazy double standard.
FYI Hulk and Doomsday fanboys are both wrong. Neither of the characters have a level of super speed worth talking about, BUT if one of them does than the both do. Anyone capable of forming an objective train of thought should be able to see that.
So if Hulk can't have it, Doomsday can't either? How mature.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiRex is a weaksauce version of the character. I don't regard him in nearly the same league that I do H/P and DD Wars.
That said buddy, I wouldn't say he's consistently been regarded as fast. Rex, Wars even HP... didn't have nearly the references that DOS had.. wouldn't you agree?
Originally posted by -Pr-
😐I don't see how you can be serious.
Bottom line: Doomsday has feats of speed. Doomsday has people telling other people how fast he is.
How does he not have speed? Because some humans managed to pick it up on a news camera?
There's more evidence for him having speed (outside DOS too), than there is against it. 😬
That isn't what I'm saying at all.
So if Hulk can't have it, Doomsday can't either? How mature.
Then show some speed feats! Show me one single speed feat from Doomsday. It's been two decades since he first appeared, if DC intended for him to have super speed we would have seen it played out by now.
None of the characters that fought Doomsday in that DOS showcased any significant levels of super speed during combat, and alternatively - as I have pointed out - we were shown how the fight was being perceived by normal civilians half a dozen times or more throughout the arc. Doomsday was never shown to have super speed, and he doesn't have a single quantifiable, concrete speed feat under his belt... but because he fought a jobbed out Superman who was operating at 1/10000th of his speed potential you've decided to arbitrarily attribute him with super speed? Get real.
Maturity has nothing to do with it, it's the same f@cking argument, they are either both true or both false.
Originally posted by ParmaniacThere's a difference between fighting somebody with high-end superspeed, and fighting a somebody with high-end superspeed who explicitly mentions speed as something has a hard time matching. Mongul gets in punchouts with Superman, but that doesn't mean that he is on his level of speed. On the contrary, when Superman actually used his level of superspeed, he effortlessly punks him.
And that's the crackpoint now suddenly everything is Superman fast, Steel also fought DD (not the same DD I know). Going by this unquantifable speed equivalation I can make legit cases of Spider-man and others being FTL.
Doomsday is a different case. Superman specifically mentions speed as something he has a hard time matching. There's no logical way to get around that, unless you want to dumb it down and say that Superman was actually Captain America-level in speed or something equally stupid. It's about as clear-cut as anything combat-speed comparative can possibly get. And it's corroborated by everything that has happened up until then - which is everyone getting overwhelmed by Doomsday's speed and making statements on it - whether it's comparing him to Flash, or being stupid-faced by how fast he is.
How anybody can ignore any of this, and say that his superspeed is questionably is simply astonishing.
Originally posted by -Pr-But that's the only logical explanation, if Supes has problems keeping up with him speedwise in battle he should operate at the top of his abilities, if that's the case we can or better said have to take a look at his best fighting speed feats (that happened before DOS) and considering how insanely fast Superman is/can be combatwise, DD should be able to blitz most characters in combat especially considering that DD isn't holding back his strength or pulling his speed in any way given his feral nature.
That isn't what I'm saying at all.
That's my problem with the entire topic, I had no prob if a Lantern wouldn't be able to keep up with but it Supes.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Then show some speed feats! Show me one single speed feat from Doomsday. It's been two decades since he first appeared, if DC intended for him to have super speed we would have seen it played out by now.None of the characters that fought Doomsday in that DOS showcased any significant levels of super speed during combat, and alternatively - as I have pointed out - we were shown how the fight was being perceived by normal civilians half a dozen times or more throughout the arc. Doomsday was never shown to have super speed, and he doesn't have a single quantifiable, concrete speed feat under his belt... but because he fought a jobbed out Superman who was operating at 1/10000th of his speed potential you've decided to arbitrarily attribute him with super speed? Get real.
Maturity has nothing to do with it, it's the same f@cking argument, they are either both true or both false.
They're in Galan's respect thread, that he updated recently.
You're twisting my words.
See, that's where you're wrong; it's not the same argument. You just seem to want it to be.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
But that's the only logical explanation, if Supes has problems keeping up with him speedwise in battle he should operate at the top of his abilities, if that's the case we can or better said have to take a look at his best fighting speed feats (that happened before DOS) and considering how insanely fast Superman is/can be combatwise, DD should be able to blitz most characters in combat especially considering that DD isn't holding back his strength or pulling his speed in any way given his feral nature.That's my problem with the entire topic, I had no prob if a Lantern wouldn't be able to keep up with but it Supes.
Blitzing requires more than just reflex speed and strength. Doomsday has those in abundance, but his travel speed isn't up to snuff. Superman's IS. When Superman blitzes he uses reflex AND travel speed.
It's not the same thing.
Originally posted by srankmissingninlol, i can see a lightning bolt strike the ground. heck with the right timing i can even take a picture of it... and a typical lightning bolt moves 224,000 mph.
And yet it was witnessed by civilians, documented by Jimmy with flash photography, Superman received back up from human fodder more than once... I guess everyone in Metropolis is FTL. Apparently that is more logical that Superman jobbing?
my point is that the onlookers being able to view superman and doomsdays battle, and even take pictures of it, doesn't mean they were moving slow. Not in the slightest.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThis pretty much sums it up.
There's a difference between fighting somebody with high-end superspeed, and fighting a somebody with high-end superspeed who explicitly mentions speed as something has a hard time matching. Mongul gets in punchouts with Superman, but that doesn't mean that he is on his level of speed. On the contrary, when Superman actually used his level of superspeed, he effortlessly punks him.Doomsday is a different case. Superman specifically mentions speed as something he has a hard time matching. There's no logical way to get around that, unless you want to dumb it down and say that Superman was actually Captain America-level in speed or something equally stupid. It's about as clear-cut as anything combat-speed comparative can possibly get. And it's corroborated by everything that has happened up until then - which is everyone getting overwhelmed by Doomsday's speed and making statements on it - whether it's comparing him to Flash, or being stupid-faced by how fast he is.
How anybody can ignore any of this, and say that his superspeed is questionably is simply astonishing.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaVery well said.
There's a difference between fighting somebody with high-end superspeed, and fighting a somebody with high-end superspeed who explicitly mentions speed as something has a hard time matching. Mongul gets in punchouts with Superman, but that doesn't mean that he is on his level of speed. On the contrary, when Superman actually used his level of superspeed, he effortlessly punks him.Doomsday is a different case. Superman specifically mentions speed as something he has a hard time matching. There's no logical way to get around that, unless you want to dumb it down and say that Superman was actually Captain America-level in speed or something equally stupid. It's about as clear-cut as anything combat-speed comparative can possibly get. And it's corroborated by everything that has happened up until then - which is everyone getting overwhelmed by Doomsday's speed and making statements on it - whether it's comparing him to Flash, or being stupid-faced by how fast he is.
How anybody can ignore any of this, and say that his superspeed is questionably is simply astonishing.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
lol, i can see a lightning bolt strike the ground. heck with the right timing i can even take a picture of it... and a typical lightning bolt moves 224,000 mph.my point is that the onlookers being able to view superman and doomsdays battle, and even take pictures of it, doesn't mean they were moving slow. Not in the slightest.
I'm on the DD has super speed side of the argument, but this is not a good example.
A bullet is nowhere near as fast as lightning, yet it would be invisible to the naked eye because its so small.
Lightning is very bright and extends for miles.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
lol, i can see a lightning bolt strike the ground. heck with the right timing i can even take a picture of it... and a typical lightning bolt moves 224,000 mph
That's how fast the electrical current moves, what you are seeing is heat emissions from said electrical current. It's like the flash of a light bulb. The two comparisons aren't apt.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
my point is that the onlookers being able to view superman and doomsdays battle, and even take pictures of it, doesn't mean they were moving slow. Not in the slightest.
lol
No.
Originally posted by carver9
DOS statements.Statements like these.
I agree, Doomsday is fast "for his size" and that goes for Hulk as well and its insane for someone to even put DD over Thor. Character statements...who doesn't have them...Quick Silver even commented on Hulks speed (Incredible Hulk #175).
Hulk speed referenced again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Avengers001-12.jpg
I'm pretty sure there are numerous of other scans about his speed. Does anyone have any quantifiable speed fts for Doomsday minus statements?
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, Doomsday is fast "for his size" and that goes for Hulk as well and its insane for someone to even put DD over Thor. Character statements...who doesn't have them...Quick Silver even commented on Hulks speed (Incredible Hulk #175).Hulk speed referenced again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Avengers001-12.jpg
I'm pretty sure there are numerous of other scans about his speed. Does anyone have any quantifiable speed fts for Doomsday minus statements?
It's not the same thing, which someone has already pointed out.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, Doomsday is fast "for his size" and that goes for Hulk as well and its insane for someone to even put DD over Thor. Character statements...who doesn't have them...Quick Silver even commented on Hulks speed (Incredible Hulk #175).Hulk speed referenced again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Avengers001-12.jpg
I'm pretty sure there are numerous of other scans about his speed. Does anyone have any quantifiable speed fts for Doomsday minus statements?
Again, another quote of Hulk moving fast FOR HIS SIZE. The quotes about Doomsday don't have that tag on them. They purely mention his speed. Not "for his size".
And you still haven't addressed my other point about the tense in which that quote I posted was said.
