Combat speed: Thor Vs Lobo Vs Hulk Vs Doomsday

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We know Superman/Supergirl/Superboy are fast because they have legitimate speed feats. Re-appropriating the feats of Superman and applying them to Doomsday because he shares some of the genetic make up is a bit of a stretch don't you think? The best Doomsday has in the speed department is some off the cuff "he's fast" statements from otherwise fast character forcibly jobbing to a low speed bruiser. It's real impressive that every once in a while DC lets him gets to get into a punching matches with characters who have conveniently forgotten they have super speed... but that isn't anything unique to Doomsday... Hulk does it all the time too... and it doesn't make either of them speedsters.

Please, don't pretend you know anything about Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. That's why I am trying to see these speed fts everyone here are mentioning. Hell, even Mongul moved his hands in a blur motion numerous of Times. Does Doomsday have these type of showings besides character statements? Especially from Booster Gold of all people. It's a simple thing to do...post some scans.

You were shown them.

Originally posted by Stoic
Take it down a notch. I was just mentioning what Superman did to Rex, which pretty much drew much attention to all of the fights that they had. It was either PIS or Superman wanting to mix it up with someone. After all, if Superman did his vibrating routine in all of his fights with DD there would have really never have been anything to write about.

Rex is weaker than the other Doomsdays, and by extension, slower.

Superman was stronger vs Doomsday Rex than he was during DOS as well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At this point, DD has been in several arcs/stories....does he have any quantifiable feats?

DOS statements.

Statements like these.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman was stronger vs Doomsday Rex than he was during DOS as well.

Even DOS Superman could vibrate though.

Originally posted by carver9
Scan.

Grundy tackling the JSA and slapping Jay at the same time. Is Grundy faster than Hulk as well.?

http://img250.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=52447_Supergirl-V5-001-006-007_122_433lo.jpg

I don't have any digital comics, only paper. And I don't own a scanner. But if you've read DOS 6-7 times like you've said you have, you shouldn't have any trouble remembering it.

I'm not saying solomon grundy has superspeed, and that's not even part of this debate. However, if grundy is able to hit someone with superspeed and he himself doesn't possess superspeed, and you acknowledge this, you can't use the rest of the Justice League being able to hit DD in DOS as any kind of proof that he lacks superspeed.

Originally posted by carver9
DOS statements.

Statements like these.

No. That's his speed referenced in spite of his size. The Doomsday references are on sheer speed alone.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't have any digital comics, only paper. And I don't own a scanner. But if you've read DOS 6-7 times like you've said you have, you shouldn't have any trouble remembering it.

I'm not saying solomon grundy has superspeed, and that's not even part of this debate. However, if grundy is able to hit someone with superspeed and he himself doesn't possess superspeed, and you acknowledge this, you can't use the rest of the Justice League being able to hit DD in DOS as any kind of proof that he lacks superspeed.

It's been a while since I've read it and I'm basing this off of memory.

I agree with you, Doomsday does have super speed but not to the extent you are trying to put it. That's why I am asking you for speed fts. Pr, I remember you posting scans me along with some other individuals disagreed with.

I recall DD moving quite fast in many of his appearances, but so has the Juggernaut. What I have yet to see, is him moving at Flash like speed. Has anyone ever witnessed DD moving like the Flash? I mean in a blur.

Originally posted by Odekahn
No. That's his speed referenced in spite of his size. The Doomsday references are on sheer speed alone.

So him jumping at Wonderman and Ironman from some ft away and punching and grabbing them before they had a chance to react isn't a speed ft?

Originally posted by Stoic
Take it down a notch.

stop stating opinion as fact.

was just mentioning what Superman did to Rex, which pretty much drew much attention to all of the fights that they had. It was either PIS or Superman wanting to mix it up with someone. After all, if Superman did his vibrating routine in all of his fights with DD there would have really never have been anything to write about.

dd rex is not who we're talking about, so irrelevent. and sure there would have been--hp dd would have adapted to it like he did to the ultrasonics and killed him despite his intangibility.

Originally posted by carver9
So him jumping at Wonderman and Ironman from some ft away and punching and grabbing them before they had a chance to react isn't a speed ft?

they had enough time to talk. 😛

Originally posted by Stoic
I recall DD moving quite fast in many of his appearances, but so has the Juggernaut. What I have yet to see, is him moving a Flash like speed. Has anyone ever witnessed DD moving like the Flash? I mean in a blur.

Thats what I am asking for as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
I recall DD moving quite fast in many of his appearances, but so has the Juggernaut. What I have yet to see, is him moving a Flash like speed. Has anyone ever witnessed DD moving like the Flash? I mean in a blur.

Slamming Guy without him even seeing movement on the part of DD sounds pretty blurrish to me.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
they had enough time to talk. 😛

The people that commented on Doomsday speed did as well.

😈

Originally posted by Odekahn
All throughout Doomsday's debut and establishment in DOS his speed was referenced. Not "wow he's pretty quick" or a once off statement. His speed is also reiterated in HP. It's not like he's got his own series and years upon years of being on panel over and over again where you can cherry pick a single statement.

Has the Hulk ever, in all his years, been referenced this heavily in a solitary story arc by people who themselves have superspeed?

This. 👆
Do we need ha1 to come in with a mathematical equation to get people to see the picture?

I can't see why this is so hard to grasp. It's not rocket science. 😐

Originally posted by carver9
So him jumping at Wonderman and Ironman from some ft away and punching and grabbing them before they had a chance to react isn't a speed ft?

You are using the quote as a feat and I told you why that =/= the DD quotes in DOS.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Slamming Guy without him even seeing movement on the part of DD sounds pretty blurrish to me.

Guy has the reaction speed of a normal human. Spiderman could blitz Gardner.

Originally posted by leonidas
stop stating opinion as fact.

dd rex is not who we're talking about, so irrelevent. and sure there would have been--hp dd would have adapted to it like he did to the ultrasonics and killed him despite his intangibility.

Like I said, take it down a notch, I wasn't attacking you, nor was I making statements as fact. I have just never seen DD move like the Flash. Have you ever seen DD adapt and become as fast as Wally or any other Speed-Force amplified human? Take this as if I am challenging you or as a question, it's entirely up to you.

DD slightly higher than thor but not by any amount that would deem it a significant advantage in a fight, then hulk, and then lobo.

But i believe generally all of them are so close.

Originally posted by Odekahn
They aren't forgetting they have super speed, they are using super speed and so is Doomsday. I suppose Flash while in motion wasn't using super speed when DD was able to touch him, huh? He clearly was. And if you say that he doesn't have to have superspeed to touch the Flash, then you can't use the argument that "other Justice League members without superspeed could hit DD, therefore he must not have superspeed."

"Didn't even see him mo--" "He's... faster than Flash" "Gotta match doomsday's speed or I'm done!" "How could he move so fast?"

These are the statements of what was taking place. It's obvious to most people that he has superspeed. We aren't the only group who believes this. The group who disputes his speed is very very small. You guys are in denial.

All throughout Doomsday's debut and establishment in DOS his speed was referenced. Not "wow he's pretty quick" or a once off statement. His speed is also reiterated in HP. It's not like he's got his own series and years upon years of being on panel over and over again where you can cherry pick a single statement.

Has the Hulk ever, in all his years, been referenced this heavily in a solitary story arc by people who themselves have superspeed?

🙄

If the ability to trade punches with a character who possessed super speed was in and off itself enough to accurately extrapolate the relative speed of a character, then would could reasonably assume that virtually every character had reflexes. I guess Grundy and General Eiling are all faster than Hulk too with their crazy FTL Speed!

Doomsday doesn't have any speed feats. He has punched several people who do... but that can be said for almost every character, including the other four in this thread, most noticeably the Hulk himself. The fact that outside of punching people, he lacks a single quantifiable speed feat should be self explanatory. But never mind that! Doomsday fought Superman! That means he has super speed because Superman has super speed! Hulk's fought Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Genis and Hyperion... but that is just them jobbing to Hulk and forgetting their speed. When Superman fought Doomsday, who didn't (and still doesn't) have a legitimate speed feat, that was an accurate portrayal of Doomsdays speed though... and that isn't at all an half brained, barely thought out double standard... because... well apparently it just isn't...

Because Booster said Doomsday was faster than the Flash while getting his head slammed in a car door?

Originally posted by Stoic
Guy has the reaction speed of a normal human. Spiderman could blitz Gardner.

1. Spiderman would undoubtibly be faster than Guy, but do you think Spider-man is so fast that Guy wouldn't even be able to see him move?

2. Is Spider-man faster attack speed wise than Hulk?

3. This still doesn't take away from other characters who do have superspeed remarking at the speed of DD.

4. This is just one example in a story arc flooded with references and examples. The writers intent is crystal clear.