Originally posted by Odekahn
Why would a writer purposefully nerf and slow down Superman to fight a brand new villain instead of just making the new villain fast like Superman?Doesn't make much sense does it?
Hhhhmmm, was Sentry, Genis, Gladiator, Hyperion, or any other speed brick that fought Hulk nerfed down?
Originally posted by -Pr-I bet he'll think what any logical person would think. 😛
I'll see what Bada thinks.
Originally posted by carver9Hardly any bricks have so consistently been regarded to be as fast as DD.
😕This applies to so many brick like characters that its next to ridiculous to even post this.
Originally posted by carver9
Hhhhmmm, was Sentry, Genis, Gladiator, Hyperion, or any other speed brick that fought Hulk nerfed down?
And here's where you miss the point entirely.
Hulk has 50 years of feats of him not having super-speed. To make the fight fair to Hulk, you make them slow down to face him.
Superman had, at the time, 8 years of feats showing him as having super-speed. To make Doomsday a challenge for him, they sped him up to face him. Simple.
Originally posted by Galan007
I bet he'll think what any logical person would think. 😛Hardly any bricks have so consistently been regarded to be as fast as DD.
Probably.
Originally posted by carver9
Hhhhmmm, was Sentry, Genis, Gladiator, Hyperion, or any other speed brick that fought Hulk nerfed down?
Did those characters make their debut against Hulk? Were those characters created to kill Hulk? Was one of the reoccuring themes of the story arcs that those fights took place in Hulk's speed?
I really like Hulk, but Doomsday is faster.
Kryptonian minds, like all true speedsters, work in superspeed as well. This is why everything appears slow to them.
Even if Hulk was as physically fast as Doomsday (whish he isn't), he wouldnt be able to keep up mentally with him. Doomsday would see everything coming at him in slowmotion and respond accordingly.
Ok I must say in the beginning of another thread I was on the side that DD isn't fast, I'm not sure anymore tbh but I'd like to know do you guys (DD supporters) think he can blitz Hulk or Thor? Pr doesn't I've seen his reply in the beginning of this thread.
My problem is Superman can be ridicoules fast in combat and, at least in my opinion, he could blitz Thor and Hulk speedwise I don't see DD doing this though that's my problem with the topic.
Originally posted by Galan007yeah it really isn't debatable. doomsday has high level combat speed.
That's what I thought.So when I see this scan:
I am able to understand that the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be fighting at remarkable speeds--to the point where his raw speed was one of the predominate factors as to why he was trouncing Superman (as Superman himself explicitly states.)
...I really don't understand what's so hard about this..? Doomsday is F-A-S-T. Superman knows it, amped Superman knows it, Guy knows it, Booster knows it, Maxima knows it, etc. srsly
anyway doomsday, then thor, then lobo, then hulk.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Did those characters make their debut against Hulk? Were those characters created to kill Hulk? Was one of the reoccuring themes of the story arcs that those fights took place in Hulk's speed?
What's the point of bringing up debuts? If Doomsday was fast, this would continue past his debut? Characters higher showings is during their first appearance...the down part about this is, it doesn't consistently stay with the character.
Originally posted by carver9
So besides DOS, Doomsday speed was mentioned again?
Yes.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ok I must say in the beginning of another thread I was on the side that DD isn't fast, I'm not sure anymore tbh but I'd like to know do you guys (DD supporters) think he can blitz Hulk or Thor? Pr doesn't I've seen his reply in the beginning of this thread.My problem is Superman can be ridicoules fast in combat and, at least in my opinion, he could blitz Thor and Hulk speedwise I don't see DD doing this though that's my problem with the topic.
What kind of blitz are we talking about?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that you'd have to have a basis for comparison to prove they were slowed down. Doomsday in his first appearance wasn't like a character that had 40+ years of history.To even believe they were slowed down, you'd have had to show an example of Doomsday having a speed limit or being unable to react to something.
Doomsday was just that fast.
You mean like hypothetically lets say Superman was doing a tv interview parallel to Doomsday beating the JLA? So we could so how fast that was happening relative to real time? Or lets say, civilians being witnesses to Superman and Doomsday's fight, and commenting and even reacting to the collateral damage? Or maybe like news crew helicopter with Lois and Jimmy fallowing the action with no difficult? Or maybe random fodder backing up Superman with lasers? Or Superman having a conversation with Lois mid battle with Doomsday? Or maybe Jimmy documenting the fight with flash photography? Because... all of that happened in DOS...
Doomsday wasn't "speed up" to fight Superman. Superman was slowed down. It's plain as day.
Originally posted by carver9Yes. In both H/P and DD Wars, Doomsday used his speed to trounce Superman (and the JLA.)
So besides DOS, Doomsday speed was mentioned again?
Remember, during DoS, Doomsday was at his WEAKEST powerlevels, yet he was still fighting at superspeed. His H/P and DD Wars incarnations were considerably more powerful in ALL areas, so they'd obviously have superspeed as well.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean like hypothetically lets say Superman was doing a tv interview parallel to Doomsday beating the JLA? So we could so how fast that was happening relative to real time? Or lets say, civilians being witnesses to Superman and Doomsday's fight, and commenting and even reacting to the collateral damage? Or maybe like news crew helicopter with Lois and Jimmy fallowing the action with no difficult? Because... all of that happened in DOS...Doomsday wasn't "speed up" to fight Superman. Superman was slowed down. It's plain as day.
Except that it was shown that people were having difficulty following it at times. Hence the mention of them being nothing but blurs.
Also, how does how long the fight took against the JLA impact Doomsday's speed?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Dishing out combos before reaction like 10+ blows.
That's not how Doomsday fights, so no.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that it was shown that people were having difficulty following it at times. Hence the mention of them being nothing but blurs.Also, how does how long the fight took against the JLA impact Doomsday's speed?
That's not how Doomsday fights, so no.
One Dumb broke that scene down perfectly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let me know when you're able to make a coherent statement. Sorry if that sounds arbitrarily dismissive. But nothing of what you just posted makes a lick of sense or seems connected to a logical point. Hulk has those "small trail like art" also.In the meantime, Superman's flying speed while tackling Doomsday through walls =/= Doomsday fighting at superspeeds.
facepalm
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes. In both H/P and DD Wars, Doomsday used his speed to trounce Superman (and the JLA.)Remember, during DoS, Doomsday was at his WEAKEST powerlevels, yet he was still fighting at superspeed. His H/P and DD Wars incarnations were considerably more powerful in ALL areas, so they'd obviously have superspeed as well.
🤣 Can you please show these speed fts.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that it was shown that people were having difficulty following it at times. Hence the mention of them being nothing but blurs.Also, how does how long the fight took against the JLA impact Doomsday's speed?
And you don't see a difference between Superman's normal speed, and a difficult yet still possible to fallow "blur"? Hard to fallow motion blur is street level man. Superman's got a speed vasectomy in DOS, he was jobbed out to Doomsday. Plain and simple.
It shows that the fight played out real time and not at super speed "we just didn't realizes it was super speed but it was the writers intention it was super speed", like Galan suggested.