Combat speed: Thor Vs Lobo Vs Hulk Vs Doomsday

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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If the ability to trade punches with a character who possessed super speed was in and off itself enough to accurately extrapolate the relative speed of a character, then would could reasonably assume that virtually every character had reflexes. I guess Grundy and General Eiling are all faster than Hulk too with their crazy FTL Speed!

Doomsday doesn't have any speed feats. He has punched several people who do... but that can be said for almost every character, including the other four in this thread, most noticeably the Hulk himself. The fact that outside of punching people, he lacks a single quantifiable speed feat should be self explanatory. But never mind that! Doomsday fought Superman! That means he has super speed because Superman has super speed! Hulk's fought Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Genis and Hyperion... but that is just them jobbing to Hulk and forgetting their speed. When Superman fought Doomsday, who didn't (and still doesn't) have a legitimate speed feat, that was an accurate portrayal of Doomsdays speed though... and that isn't at all an half brained, barely thought out double standard... because... well apparently it just isn't...

Because Booster said Doomsday was faster than the Flash while getting his head slammed in a car door?

/facepalm

You need to re-read the thread.

Originally posted by Stoic
Guy has the reaction speed of a normal human. Spiderman could blitz Gardner.

Like I said, take it down a notch, I wasn't attacking you, nor was I making statements as fact. I have just never seen DD move like the Flash. Have you ever seen DD adapt and become as fast as Wally or any other Speed-Force amplified human? Take this as if I am challenging you or as a question, it's entirely up to you.

not demonstrating speed force speed=being as fast as hulk?

huh.

people keep referencing all the speed-related comments hulk has. we have one terrible example (simon and IM stand there commenting--here he comes....) so, where are all the others? anyone? people keep crying for dd feats--where exactly are the hulks?

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Spiderman would undoubtibly be faster than Guy, but do you think Spider-man is so fast that Guy wouldn't even be able to see him move?

2. Is Spider-man faster attack speed wise than Hulk?

3. This still doesn't take away from other characters who do have superspeed remarking at the speed of DD.

4. This is just one example in a story arc flooded with references and examples. The writers intent is crystal clear.

1. Yes Spiderman could blitz Guy without him seeing him, and has done so to characters that can fly at FTL speed through a meteor swarm and never get hit once.

2. Yes he does, but he does not have greater burst speeds than the Hulk, Thor, Doomsday, or Lobo due to them being greater in strength.

3. Never said this, I believe that Doomsday's short burst speeds are superhuman, but so are any class 100 character. Unless their particular physique does not allow them to move at such speeds. For example The Colossus that The Savage Hulk fought years ago was slow due to his unique physique.

4. Noted.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You know what Superman's super duper speed comes from right?

From his solar powered superstrength as a Kryptonian.

That goes for Doomsday as well.

Superman/Supergirl/Superboy etc are fast because they are immensely strong. That holds true for Doomsday as well. Since the reason for their strength is the same as his.

I don't think superspeed is directly proportional to strength. If that was the Usain Bolt would be the strongest man on earth but he isn't. Its not a comics example but if we have to use a comics character the hulk would be alot faster and The Thing would be faster than he is. Super Strength also has no bearing on superman speeding up his perception to match flash which basically froze everyone around them. I think super speed is solar based super power this is why he can perform billions of calculations within seconds and I don't think strength has anything to do with this.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't think superspeed is directly proportional to strength. If that was the Usain Bolt would be the strongest man on earth but he isn't. Its not a comics example but if we have to use a comics character the hulk would be alot faster and The Thing would be faster than he is. Super Strength also has no bearing on superman speeding up his perception to match flash which basically froze everyone around them. I think super speed is solar based super power this is why he can perform billions of calculations within seconds and I don't think strength has anything to do with this.

Actually in terms of muscular twitch fibers Bolt is the strongest man on Earth. They did a study on him, and found that his muscles move at a rate of a man half his size.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't think superspeed is directly proportional to strength. If that was the Usain Bolt would be the strongest man on earth but he isn't. Its not a comics example but if we have to use a comics character the hulk would be alot faster and The Thing would be faster than he is. Super Strength also has no bearing on superman speeding up his perception to match flash which basically froze everyone around them. I think super speed is solar based super power this is why he can perform billions of calculations within seconds and I don't think strength has anything to do with this.

The stronger you are proportional to your size, the faster you are.

Beetles are super fast for their size because they are immensely strong for their size.

Conversely T.Rex wouldn't have been able to run 40 mph because it would've needed leg muscles that take up over 90% of its body weight, and that is impossible.

As for your Hulk vs Thing example, not many people in fiction understand (or conveniently wish to not acknowledge) that speed comes from power, and power comes from muscle.

On the other hand, some characters have super speed directly because of their strength, Superman for instance, as stated by the likes of Flash himself.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Please, don't pretend you know anything about Doomsday.

Because Doomsday is such a rare and obscure character with hard to find appearances...

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Originally posted by Stoic
Actually in terms of muscular twitch fibers Bolt is the strongest man on Earth. They did a study on him, and found that his muscles move at a rate of a man half his size.

Originally posted by Stoic
Guy has the reaction speed of a normal human. Spiderman could blitz Gardner.

I honestly don't understand what isn't computing with you guys. Doomsday not only has statements regarding his speed, he has feats to back them up. Statements+feats=incontrovertible proof, last time I checked.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because Doomsday is such a rare and obscure character with hard to find appearances...

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You're attempting to apply a standard to him that simply doesn't.

Originally posted by Galan007
You repeatedly fail to understand that the WRITER put those words in Guy's mouth. Why? Because the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be a remarkably fast being--a fact he [Doomsday] proved when his combat speed proved sufficient to overwhelm characters like Maxima, Superman, amped Superman, Booster, Bloodwynd/J'onn, etc.

I honestly don't understand what isn't computing with you guys. Doomsday not only has statements regarding his speed, he has feats to back them up. Statements+feats=incontrovertible proof, last time I checked.

It still is.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Is that so? Then if superman's speed comes from strength and isn't a super power it would mean that Jurgens was right an that superman really is millions of times stronger than the hulk.

I won't deny this, but the Hulk as we both know does not have a static strength level. At base, Superman just may be what you say he is. He is much stronger than the Hulk, but again that is the Hulk's base stats.

Originally posted by carver9
Captain America was compared to Quick Silver. 😮

What is...I don't even...

Originally posted by Galan007
You repeatedly fail to understand that the WRITER put those words in Guy's mouth. Why? Because the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be a remarkably fast being--a fact he [Doomsday] proved when his combat speed proved sufficient to overwhelm characters like Maxima, Superman, amped Superman, Booster, Bloodwynd/J'onn, etc.

I honestly don't understand what isn't computing with you guys. Doomsday not only has statements regarding his speed, he has feats to back them up. Statements+feats=incontrovertible proof, last time I checked.

Here's your soap box buddy, so lets see those alleged speed feats.

Doomsday doesn't have any speed feats. He got into some slug fests with some characters who got their speed nerfed down so a Hulk expy would stand a chance and make an entertaining enemy. Awesome.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here's your soap box buddy, so lets see those alleged speed feats.

Doomsday doesn't have any speed feats. He got into some slug fests with some characters who got their speed nerfed down so a Hulk expy would stand a chance and make an entertaining enemy. Awesome.

Except that you'd have to have a basis for comparison to prove they were slowed down. Doomsday in his first appearance wasn't like a character that had 40+ years of history.

To even believe they were slowed down, you'd have had to show an example of Doomsday having a speed limit or being unable to react to something.

Doomsday was just that fast.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It still is.

So when I see this scan:

I am able to understand that the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be fighting at remarkable speeds--to the point where his raw speed was one of the predominate factors as to why he was trouncing Superman (as Superman himself explicitly states.)

...I really don't understand what's so hard about this..? Doomsday is F-A-S-T. Superman knows it, amped Superman knows it, Guy knows it, Booster knows it, Maxima knows it, etc. srsly

I don't think that scan can be argued with tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I thought.

So when I see this scan:

I am able to understand that the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be fighting at remarkable speeds--to the point where his raw speed was one of the predominate factors as to why he was trouncing Superman (as Superman himself explicitly states.)

...I really don't understand what's so hard about this..? Doomsday is F-A-S-T. Superman knows it, amped Superman knows it, Guy knows it, Booster knows it, Maxima knows it, etc. srsly

I'll see what Bada thinks.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here's your soap box buddy, so lets see those alleged speed feats.

Doomsday doesn't have any speed feats. He got into some slug fests with some characters who got their speed nerfed down so a Hulk expy would stand a chance and make an entertaining enemy. Awesome.

Why would a writer purposefully nerf and slow down Superman to fight a brand new villain instead of just making the new villain fast like Superman?

Doesn't make much sense does it?

Originally posted by Galan007
You repeatedly fail to understand that the WRITER put those words in Guy's mouth. Why? Because the writer INTENDED Doomsday to be a remarkably fast being--a fact he [Doomsday] proved when his combat speed proved sufficient to overwhelm characters like Maxima, Superman, amped Superman, Booster, Bloodwynd/J'onn, etc.

I honestly don't understand what isn't computing with you guys. Doomsday not only has statements regarding his speed, he has feats to back them up. Statements+feats=incontrovertible proof, last time I checked.

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This applies to so many brick like characters that its next to ridiculous to even post this.