Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess we disagree. I tend to just take writer's words on their own stories I wouldn't use jurgens opinion based off of how he thinks Thor/Superman would go down.
You can use their take to support what happens on panel, because what happens on panel will always take priority.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Let me ask you this then. In the instance in hp did fear make him a better or weaker combatant in your opinion ? Was hp Superman at his best iyo ?
Once he got over himself and got the amp, yes, i think he was at or close to his best, at least for the Superman at that time.
Originally posted by Delta1938He didn't say yes or no he gave a vague answer. That's completely different than answering a question. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
So, basically you're a hypocrite. Glad we got that cleared-up.
Originally posted by -Pr-I see Superman from OWAW fighting alongside Doomsday to be at his best.
Once he got over himself and got the amp, yes, i think he was at or close to his best, at least for the Superman at that time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't say yes or no he gave a vague answer. That's completely different than answering a question. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
Paraphrasing his actual words, he said, "Sentry is a crazy drug addict and just thought he had matter manipulation." Unless you're talking about what he said after? Funny, he had said he couldn't see how it wasn't clear before bringing-up the drug addict thing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I see Superman from OWAW fighting alongside Doomsday to be at his best.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Once he got over himself and got the amp, yes, i think he was at or close to his best, at least for the Superman at that time.
Pr said "--at least for the Superman at that time." H/P happened before the Mongul Junior training that was important to OWAW.
Originally posted by Delta1938Post the link to the interview. He was vague on what actually happened. He didn't answer it either way so we go by what occurred on panel. Just because the Sentry is insane doesn't make the MM go away. The rest of the dark avengers weren't all insane. They're lunatics but still.
Paraphrasing his actual words, he said, "Sentry is a crazy drug addict and just thought he had matter manipulation." Unless you're talking about what he said after? Funny, he had said he couldn't see how it wasn't clear before bringing-up the drug addict thing.Pr said "--at least for the Superman at that time." H/P happened before the Mongul Junior training that was important to OWAW.
That's a good point so comparing that Superman to current Superman doesn't cut the mustard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't say yes or no he gave a vague answer. That's completely different than answering a question. This shouldn't be hard to understand. I see Superman from OWAW fighting alongside Doomsday to be at his best.
H/P Superman hadn't had a bunch of amps yet, so the point doesn't really carry over, when he had been significantly upgraded by the time OWAW came around.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Post the link to the interview. He was vague on what actually happened. He didn't answer it either way so we go by what occurred on panel.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287
"I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.
"I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being f**ked with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."
So, why would he bring-up he thought it was pretty clear, and continuously point-out Sentry was crazy, if he didn't intend that Sentry didn't actually have Molecule Man's powers?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because the Sentry is insane doesn't make the MM go away. The rest of the dark avengers weren't all insane. They're lunatics but still.
What does that have to do with anything? They weren't sure what was going on. It was Sentry who said he can control molecules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a good point so comparing that Superman to current Superman doesn't cut the mustard.
Are you trying to counter or are you agreeing it wasn't good to bring-up Superman during OUR WORLDS AT WAR when Pr said he felt Superman did the best he could at the time?
Originally posted by Delta1938
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287"I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.
"I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being f**ked with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."
Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away.
The Sentry overpowered him and his answer was maybe he was or maybe he wasn't. That isn't a direct answer. What we see on panel trumps a vague nonanswer.
So, why would he bring-up he thought it was pretty clear, and continuously point-out Sentry was crazy, if he didn't intend that Sentry didn't actually have Molecule Man's powers?[/B]
He overpowered the MM at his own game. MM wasn't experience his insanity he was overpowered. Bendis' answer is vague anyway.
What does that have to do with anything? They weren't sure what was going on. It was Sentry who said he can control molecules.[/B]
I still disagree but I just gave an example of Superman at his best. I don't think fighting fear inside his own mind is at his best but since he wasn't trained yet by Mongul it's pretty easy to see a Superman from then on is far more formidable than the hp Superman.
Are you trying to counter or are you agreeing it wasn't good to bring-up Superman during OUR WORLDS AT WAR when Pr said he felt Superman did the best he could at the time? [/B]