The Void vs Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see self doubt and fear really bringing out the best in Superman.

Fear is what makes Superman his best half the time. And besides, as the arc went on his fear and doubt disappeared.

Though I don't know why you're changing the subject.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. [B]Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't.

Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away.

The Sentry overpowered him and his answer was maybe he was or maybe he wasn't. That isn't a direct answer. What we see on panel trumps a vague nonanswer.

He overpowered the MM at his own game. MM wasn't experience his insanity he was overpowered. Bendis' answer is vague anyway.[/B]

Or, it could've been, ya know, Sentry's telepathy? You're completely dismissing the writer making it clear Sentry's not to be trusted. Of course, this wouldn't be the first time you picked something that benefited you, but when an equivalent example was used against you, said that they can't do that. In other words, wouldn't be the first time you've shown to be a hypocrite, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I still disagree but I just gave an example of Superman at his best. I don't think fighting fear inside his own mind is at his best but since he wasn't trained yet by Mongul it's pretty easy to see a Superman from then on is far more formidable than the hp Superman.

So, you're going to ignore when Superman said he was giving it everything he had and that the whole moral of the story was overcoming your fears?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Or, it could've been, ya know, Sentry's telepathy? You're completely dismissing the writer making it clear Sentry's not to be trusted. Of course, this wouldn't be the first time you picked something that benefited you, but when an equivalent example was used against you, said that they can't do that. In other words, wouldn't be the first time you've shown to be a hypocrite, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

So, you're going to ignore when Superman said he was giving it everything he had and that the whole moral of the story was overcoming your fears? [/B][/QUOTE] Superman did overcome his fear but it still plagued him in the fight. That's called self doubt. I don't think anyone experiencing that at the time is at their best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are completely missing the point what happens on panel is to be trusted. He said it did or it didn't. His answer was vague he didn't say the Sentry is nuts that isn't what happened. He puposely left it vague so we go by on panel.

So, you're going to ignore when Superman said he was giving it everything he had and that the whole moral of the story was overcoming your fears?

um Looks like his whole point WAS to make it clear that what we see wasn't to be trusted. And it's pretty funny that the interview you used for Doomsday contradicted what we see on panel, but are dismissing this interview.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman did overcome his fear but it still plagued him in the fight. That's called self doubt. I don't think anyone experiencing that at the time is at their best.

um Looks like his whole point WAS to make it clear that what we see wasn't to be trusted. And it's pretty funny that the interview you used for Doomsday contradicted what we see on panel, but are dismissing this interview. [/B][/QUOTE] No, iti didn't contradict anything. Superman still brought his moral code to the fight he wasn't balls to the wall without it.

I am not dismissing anything he didn't give a conclusive answer. Jurgens did. There's a difference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
um Looks like his whole point WAS to make it clear that what we see wasn't to be trusted. And it's pretty funny that the interview you used for Doomsday contradicted what we see on panel, but are dismissing this interview.

I am not dismissing anything he didn't give a conclusive answer. Jurgens did. There's a difference. [/B][/QUOTE]

So you'll use a quote from an author when it contradicts what was seen, and say another example can't be used because it was "vague?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
No, iti didn't contradict anything. Superman still brought his moral code to the fight he wasn't balls to the wall without it.

I am not dismissing anything he didn't give a conclusive answer. Jurgens did. There's a difference.

So you'll use a quote from an author when it contradicts what was seen, and say another example can't be used because it was "vague?" [/B][/QUOTE] That isn't a contradiction. He didn't answer the question. Jurgens was clear in his answer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a contradiction. He didn't answer the question. Jurgens was clear in his answer. [/B]

But, what we saw didn't match-up with what he said.

Originally posted by Delta1938
But, what we saw didn't match-up with what he said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What did he say that contradicted what happened on panel.

In your opinion. But of course you refused to answer if Superman's more powerful than the gravity from Entropy. Ignore that Doomsday died at the end, when, ya know, time and space it's self ceased to exist. Do you think Superman's power is greater than the gravity we see them hit with when they come to the end of time?

Originally posted by Delta1938
In your opinion. But of course you refused to answer if Superman's more powerful than the gravity from Entropy. Ignore that Doomsday died at the end, when, ya know, time and space it's self ceased to exist. Do you think Superman's power is greater than the gravity we see them hit with when they come to the end of time?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Waverider aided him in surviving. Try and at least be objective for a moment. It would have killed him.

Waverider was delaying space/time it's self ending. That's not what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Void only goes away with his own cooperation. That's what the writer said. That's also consistent with what happened on panel. 🙂

Looked more like Bob's voice still getting through. Attacking doesn't look like cooperation to me.

But I just realized how completely off-topic you've gone from the original point. You asked me who I think wins, I hadn't come to a decision yet(still haven't) but said Superman doesn't get ripped in half like Ares does. You said you disagree. Then you bring-up Loki. Even if you're correct that Sentry does have these powers, and he can use them to kill Superman, it has nothing to do with how Ares died.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Waverider was delaying space/time it's self ending. That's not what I'm talking about.

Looked more like Bob's voice still getting through. Attacking doesn't look like cooperation to me.

But I just realized how completely off-topic you've gone from the original point. You asked me who I think wins, I hadn't come to a decision yet(still haven't) but said Superman doesn't get ripped in half like Ares does. You said you disagree. Then you bring-up Loki. Even if you're correct that Sentry does have these powers, and he can use them to kill Superman, it has nothing to do with how Ares died. [/B]

I said he'd get ripped in half like Loki was. I always said so.

How could superman win this?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman had aid I guess that doesn't count. Superman totally resisted entropy on his own, right ? 😂

Surviving entropy as a whole. Not the part I referred to. Fail, Quan, fail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bob wanting Thor to kill him and then changing intot he Void screaming kill me isn't cooperating ? He's actually telling him he wants to die and demands he complies.

He's also attacking. Looks to me like Bob is getting his message through while Void attempts to resist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he'd get ripped in half like Loki was. I always said so.

Either you're lying to cover the fact that you've taken this off-topic from what I originally said, or you had a complete reading comprehension fail and should've brought that up in the first place when you said you disagree.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Surviving entropy as a whole. Not the part I referred to. Fail, Quan, fail.

[QUOTE
He's also attacking. Looks to me like Bob is getting his message through while Void attempts to resist. [/B][/QUOTEBut he's still cooperating. He turned into the Void after Thor refused. His actions forced Thor into aiding him take his life.

[QUOTE
Either you're lying to cover the fact that you've taken this off-topic from what I originally said, or you had a complete reading comprehension fail and should've brought that up in the first place when you said you disagree. [/B][/QUOTE] My original response always pertained to the Loki body rip not the Ares. Though from what I recall Bendis viewed ares the same as Thor so the difference probably isn't as far off according to the writer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's irrelevant. The writer was clear while your example has no relevance to combat.

No, it's not irrelevant. They both survived the gravitational forces. You're clinging to the part where Doomsday dies, when there's no universe left to survive in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But he's still cooperating. He turned into the Void after Thor refused. His actions forced Thor into aiding him take his life.

So, attacking=cooperating?

Originally posted by quanchi112
My original response always pertained to the Loki body rip not the Ares. Though from what I recall Bendis viewed ares the same as Thor so the difference probably isn't as far off according to the writer.

It was quite clear in my initial post that Superman wasn't going to suffer the same thing Ares did. All you said is you disagree. If you honestly meant Loki, then you should've said it in the first place.

Originally posted by Delta1938
No, it's not irrelevant. They both survived the gravitational forces. You're clinging to the part where Doomsday dies, when there's no universe left to survive in.

So, attacking=cooperating?[/B]

It was quite clear in my initial post that Superman wasn't going to suffer the same thing Ares did. All you said is you disagree. If you honestly meant Loki, then you should've said it in the first place. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
For the time being yes. They weren't going to survive them for much longer as the scans clearly show.

Yes, because, ya know, space/time it's self was going to end. So, you think Superman is more powerful than what they endured?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor destroyed his body and he didn't come back. We've seen him come back from being completely destroyed. The writer stated he cooperated.

And fighting equals cooperating? Not to mention, if he can just come back, why hasn't he yet? And nice that you show your double standard in the same interview.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When you asked me I stated Loki. I never once said the Ares rip.

It was incredibly clear I was talking about Ares. You simply said you disagree. If you were talking about Loki the entire time, you should've brought it up in the first place. I think you're just covering your mistake.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will let this go since you admit you were wrong.

I notice you like to claim victory when you haven't actually won anything. I'm going to go through SIEGE, so I'll make my decision.

Originally posted by Blight
How could superman win this?