Avengers Vs JLA (No Powers)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal is quite a fighter
Takes down three thugs at once

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/6283d39b.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/993fc320.jpg

Just see it

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/a6efe2af.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/91dd72c6.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/18235725.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/13931a70.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/d4ade294.jpg

Again

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/62fe0835.jpg

Against an alien warlord

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/66dd7335.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/a6d0ad14.jpg

Back flips

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/5e656c3b.jpg
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Did you see him recently too? Taking on those guys in the hangar?

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor is 6'6" 670 LBS, and would likely be the most dominant combatant on the field.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you see him recently too? Taking on those guys in the hangar?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he's an excellent fighter.

It's like he said, he used to train with Ollie every day.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It's not unrealistic to see Thor moving around at that weight. He'd be roughly the same size as a large male Gorilla. They walk around at roughly 500lbs of weight, yet they're still quite agile and powerful. They also share many of our physical characteristics as humans (which is not surprising because they're one of our closest phylogenetic cousins).

Basically what I'm saying is fighting Thor would be similar to fighting an angry male Gorilla who's some how skilled at melee. Even our biggest and strongest humans wouldn't want any of that.

I've only seen one or two examples of Thor being depowered, but he didn't look anything like a male gorilla physically anymore than Street Level characters.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I've only seen one or two examples of Thor being depowered, but he didn't look anything like a male gorilla physically anymore than Street Level characters.

I was partly joking about Thor being like a gorilla. But the main point was to dispel the notion that Thor would be too heavy to move at that weight. If a gorilla with a similar weight can still be agile and powerful, Thor should be able to also, realistically.

Originally posted by vince_slice
I was partly joking about Thor being like a gorilla. But the main point was to dispel the notion that Thor would be too heavy to move at that weight. If a gorilla with a similar weight can still be agile and powerful, Thor should be able to also, realistically.

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Either way, you can't use Thor's weight against him when there has been no precedent set of it effecting him when he's been explicitly depowered.

Originally posted by vince_slice
I was partly joking about Thor being like a gorilla. But the main point was to dispel the notion that Thor would be too heavy to move at that weight. If a gorilla with a similar weight can still be agile and powerful, Thor should be able to also, realistically.

Has Thor thrown his 700 lb weight around on panel like a huge gorilla??

Originally posted by vince_slice
I was partly joking about Thor being like a gorilla. But the main point was to dispel the notion that Thor would be too heavy to move at that weight. If a gorilla with a similar weight can still be agile and powerful, Thor should be able to also, realistically.

Ah ok. I've always just seen a powerless Thor moving around normally myself. I've thought perhaps the whole "Asgardian density" thing is negated when he's powerless.

Either said weight discrepancy doesn't exist when he's depowered and he's reduced to being peak human in stats, or his weight is reduced to 250 something and he's peak human in stats.

It's pretty simple, imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Either said weight discrepancy doesn't exist when he's depowered and he's reduced to being peak human in stats, or his weight is reduced to 250 something and he's peak human in stats.

It's pretty simple, imo.

Originally posted by Q99
Diana once fought the Goddess Diana while having no powers.

Even with him being really strong, Diana can manage.

And Hippolyta beat Herc in the Amazon's origin story. "Powerless" Amazon's are pretty tough.

The op clearly intends for everyone to have human level stats though...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, what?

How does he manage to still press multiple tons without powers??

Are you giving him his Asgardian physiology?

Then why doesn't Clark get his Kryptonian physiology?

No problem, give me some scans about a powerless Kryptonian physology that shows that it'll be in an Asgardian's physical realm. And that should end my confusion about THOR soloing the group.

Per Marvel

The average Asgardian male can lift (press) about 30 tons under optimal conditions; the average Asgardian female can lift (press) 25 tons under optimal conditions

Originally posted by Tony Stark
No problem, give me some scans about a powerless Kryptonian physology that shows that it'll be in an Asgardian's physical realm. And that should end my confusion about THOR soloing the group.

Per Marvel

The average Asgardian male can lift (press) about 30 tons under optimal conditions; the average Asgardian female can lift (press) 25 tons under optimal conditions

Originally posted by Tony Stark
No problem, give me some scans about a powerless Kryptonian physology that shows that it'll be in an Asgardian's physical realm. And that should end my confusion about THOR soloing the group.

Per Marvel

The average Asgardian male can lift (press) about 30 tons under optimal conditions; the average Asgardian female can lift (press) 25 tons under optimal conditions

Originally posted by Prep-Man
This is just a street brawl. no power, ring, or super powers of of any kind.

Tony Stark
Thor
Bruce Banner
Namor

vs

Hal Jordan
Superman
Diana
Aquaman

Originally posted by Blight
That's what normal people call "powers", dude.

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I think Tony's trying to argue that a "powerless Thor" would merely mean that he's a normal Asgardian, instead of the well above normal we see. Except the topic is Thor without powers, not without powers compared to an average Asgardian.

I mean, if that were the case, Aquaman is merely superstrong because of Atlantean physiology too. :/

Originally posted by Delta1938
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I think Tony's trying to argue that a "powerless Thor" would merely mean that he's a normal Asgardian, instead of the well above normal we see. Except the topic is Thor without powers, not without powers compared to an average Asgardian.

No powers.

It's really simple. 😬

Everyone's strength, agility, speed, etc, is all reduced to peak human level, assuming that they've displayed that much while depowered like Thor or Diana or averagish human like Tony or Hal.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No powers.

It's really simple. 😬

Everyone's strength, agility, speed, etc, is all reduced to peak human level, assuming that they've displayed that much while depowered like Thor or Diana or averagish human like Tony or Hal.

Apparently its not so simple to everyone.