Most powerful things/entities in the Marvel Omniverse

Considering the threat Thanos posed, there is no reason to assume LT (or any of the abstracts, for that matter) were using anything less than their full power against him. Suggesting they were only accessing a fractional percentage of their total power is illogical, given the situation.

Aside from that, Thanos effortlessly absorbed all matter/energy in the universe (the big bang as you called it), along with all the abstracts within that universe (Eternity, Infinity, LT, etc.) He then, just as effortlessly, recreated said universe from scratch--this time without the "cosmic cancer" that no other abstract seemed capable of eradicating, and he also made some life assuring changes for himself as well... Like it or not, neither Phoenix or LT have [unarguable/conclusive] on panel feats on par with that. I personally feel that if the PF would have been in the universe as Thanos began his frenzy, she would have been absorbed just as easily as everyone/thing else. I think the moral of the story (especially given the fact that it was written by Starlin, who is perhaps the biggest Thanos fanboy on earth) is that there was NO force in existence capable of stopping Thanos--he had to stop himself.

Just MO. 🙂

Dear GalacticStorm,

Get out.

Sincerely,

CortSether

Originally posted by Galan007
Considering the threat Thanos posed, there is no reason to assume LT (or any of the abstracts, for that matter) were using anything less than their full power against him. Suggesting they were only accessing a fractional percentage of their total power is illogical, given the situation.

Aside from that, Thanos effortlessly absorbed all matter/energy in the universe (the big bang as you called it), along with all the abstracts within that universe (Eternity, Infinity, LT, etc.) He then, just as effortlessly, recreated said universe from scratch--this time without the "cosmic cancer" that no other abstract seemed capable of eradicating, and he also made some life assuring changes for himself as well... Like it or not, neither Phoenix or LT have [unarguable/conclusive] on panel feats on par with that. I personally feel that if the PF would have been in the universe as Thanos began his frenzy, she would have been absorbed just as easily as everyone/thing else. I think the moral of the story (especially given the fact that it was written by Starlin, who is perhaps the biggest Thanos fanboy on earth) is that there was NO force in existence capable of stopping Thanos--he had to stop himself.

Just MO. 🙂

Thanos did not recreate the universe so much as simply reverse what he had done whilst claiming to have fixed this flaw that kept heroes being resurrected. Something subsequent continuity has showed he failed at, regardless of the intentions of the writer at the time. So its reference is irrelevant.

You state Thanos absorbed the energy and matter of the universe AND the abstracts as if theyre two separate things. The abstracts are derivative of the universe, it gives them meaning, relevance and they depend on its power. So listing them separately makes little sense. He absorbed the universe, he absorbed an LT Mbody that has shown its not infallible, that itself has been destroyed by a Reed Richards invention invented to kill Galactus 😬

The destruction of LT's Mbody of a multiversal entity, with multiversal duties in a universal conflict says nothing conclusive about LTs power in comparison to the HOTI. His Mbodies have been destroyed or at least thwarted by less. With his multiversal scope and responsibilities its conceivable that LT could not and would not invest all of his power in a single Mbody to deal with a universal issue.

Now talking about this allegedly unprecedented feat. You have the multiversal Phoenix Force and you have its top host the White Phoenix Of the Crown aka Jean Grey.

It was Jean Grey that in the space of a sentence amputated a reality from the multiverse, before then going on to manipulate the atoms of 616 to materialize the universe in the White Hot Room. That requires manipulation of greater energies than those contained within said universe. Therefore it is a greater feat than absorbing the universe. The crux of the matter is on how much importance or weighting you place on absorbing the LT Mbody. Given its past showings/defeats, given its multiversal nature and role and the precedence shown for not wanting to devote too many resources into universal conflicts its not conclusive that he was there in significant power in relation to his overall ability.

Then you have the Phoenix Force itself. An officially stated multiversal entity who manifests at the universal level as a Big Bang. Not only is it the sustaining life force of realities, but it empowers its avatars simultaneously to do feats like those achieved by the White Crown Phoenix/Jean Grey. THAT is unprecedented power.

Hosts with access to a portion of the Force have manipulated the energies of the entire multiverse in order to begin the compression all realities into a singularity-

Hosts have re-energized the M'kraan crystal which has proven multiversal destroying capabilities having previously broken down all matter and energy of the last multiverse before recreating it anew

The Phoenix Force to be the reality sustaining life force and to simultaneously empower hosts across the multiverse for feats such as these is beyond virtually all. But if you want to disagree whether one of its hosts displayed greater ability than Thanos then fair enough 🙂

Originally posted by CortSether
Dear GalacticStorm,

Get out.

Sincerely,

CortSether

Because you disagree?

The fact that just the other week you were clueless to the fact that the Phoenix is the Big Bang speaks volumes for your ignorance in these matters. 🙄

Instead of coming with an attitude, ask questions, ask for scans, dont let your shortcomings make you act like a penis 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hosts with access to a portion of the Force have manipulated the energies of [B]the entire multiverse in order to begin the compression all realities into a singularity-

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As for the rest of your post: no offense, but you skew things to suit you, it seems. If others want to indulge you, they can. I'll have no part in that type of 'debate', though.

Good day. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
There might be a cat or two I'm missing friends,
but this is off the top of the dome,
so ... bare with me.

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0. Toaa/god
(depicted as the Artists and Writers of Marvel Comics)

THOTI:
(raw power & status of the Supreme Being withIN the Omniverse)

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1. Classic Beyonder

beneath him ... Classic Molecule Man:

(yall know why)

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2. The Infinity Being:
(his power was the first to create all the Realities in current Marvel
he also simultaneously created the Infinity Gems)

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3. (SHARED Spot) with Protege somewhere > LT and Scathan somewhere > both.

The LT
(only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)

In the 31st Century (1000 years from now)

1. Scathan

2. Protege

3. LT

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(Shared Spot)

Alien Entity
(folded the entire Omniverse to the point before its creation (the Void)
then re-created the Omniverse with Reed's mind literally from nothingness)

Sise-Neg
(absorbed all existing energy across Marvel,
re-created Marvel via the Big Bang)

The BeyonderS
(tiny fraction of their energy empowers CCUs)

HOM Wanda:
(completely re-structured 616, subconciously collapsed the Omniverse,
consciously rebuilt the Omniverse from its collapse)

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6. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

Classic Jaspers 616
(more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - the Fury)

Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.

Jamie Braddock:
(Warped the WHR, can create from scratch using Quantum Strings,
controls entire Universes if he chooses, Merged Jaspers & Fury,
manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right)

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7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:

Matrix empowered Merlyn: (if applicable)
(fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)

Edifice Rex:
(was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)

Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (if applicable)
(the embodiment of Omniversal connection)

FP CCU:
(Remade the Omniverse,
and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)

IG:
(4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities,
were creating UniverseS back to back and stacking them,
so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)

Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right:
(the Hand of God, that can sunder the Omniverse)

FP Meggan:
(absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ...
paused the Chaos Wave for a moment)

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(These Two I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)

Vangaard:
(can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)

The Celestial Nullifier:
(can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)

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8. The Brothers:
(guardians/embodiments/creators of Two MegaverseS)

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(Multiversal Powers)

9. Masters of the Matrix:
(their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix" the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)

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10. The UN:
(can erase and Remake the Multiverse)

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11. Abraxas:
(can re-order reality in a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts across the Realities simultaneously,
proved to be unstoppable against the power of the multiversal space-time continuum,
had only one weakness)

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12. Molecule Man:
(Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)

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13. (SHARED Spot)

Entropy:
(can Re-Create the Multiverse (and indeed marvel) from nothingness)

Umar:
(Possesses/shares the Totality of Eternity's Power) ... Canon PIS.

Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (or 616 consciousness)
(embodiment of the Multiverse)

Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (or 616 consciousness of said Concepts)
(embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)

Nth Man:
(embodiment of another Multiverse,
can absorb Universes from the Prime Multiverse easily)

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14. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.

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15. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

The Infinites:
(handled an Aspect of Eternity, they maintain the Multiverse)

The Makers:
(they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)

Atleza:
(Anchors the Prime Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)

Galactus Insatiable:
(only seen once) ... Potentially Higher on this list ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universal Timeline connected to 616,
according to Reed & GOTG, Galactus was going to absorb the Omniverse basically)

Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential:
(seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)
was seen by the Thunderbolts erasing 616 Reality and all its Timelines in the Future)

The Rot:
(erases Time & Space/Reality)

The Hunger:
(devours Time & Space/Reality)

Slorioth:
(absorbs Universal Reality at all times)

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16. (SHARED Spot) in Order:

1. The Phoenix Force:
(has destroyed two alternate realities)

2. Korvac:
(empowered by Galactus' World Ship)
(made subtle warps in the 616 Universe, shielded his presence from Eternity and company)

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17. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:

1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's

2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

3. rest of the Abstracts

Doing my little research, Mr. Master is pretty much on point!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
If I had never read Excalibur #50, I might have believed this. However, I HAVE read the issue, therefore I KNOW that such a feat was NEVER accomplished--it was never even began, in fact. Granted, that was the plan, but that plan never came into fruition:

As for the rest of your post: no offense, but you skew things to suit you, it seems. If others want to indulge you, they can. I'll have no part in that type of 'debate', though.

Good day. 🙂

All youve done is merely provide another multiversal scale feat, the joining of all realities of the multiverse through the replication and distribution of a nexus point in every reality. Thank you. I had forgotten about that 🙂

And its easy to pop in and make a throwaway comment and then disappearing. You made your point, i responded with a reasoned argument. If you disagree then that is your prerogative.

Every point i have made is either backed up and supported officially or at least feasible given what we are told about the characters in question.

LT is a multiversal entity with matching responsibilities.

His Mbody has in the past been shown not to be infallible and it has been destroyed.

With that in mind why is it hard to fathom that the absorption of one of his Mbodies does not say anything conclusive about LTs power compared to the HOTI?

It isnt hard to fathom, its not unreasonable and it certainly isnt illogical, it just doesnt coincide with your viewpoint which is cool, keep that view point but unless youre going to say how i skew things, its nothing but a throwaway comment 🙂

The absorption of the universe does not compare to the manipulation of all that is the universe down to its component atoms and its materialization in the white hot room. It was done with no discernible strain, it was a casual affair in comparison to Thanos big dramatic display illustrating it is far from her capacity.

That was just Jean Grey.

The Phoenix Force empowered that feat and also is the sustaining life force of realities and a source of power for other hosts simultaneously. Simple 😄

Just to reiterate, by no means am i ranking the Force or its hosts above LT. My hierarchy list didnt show that.

What i am saying is that LT's Mbody given that he is a multiversal entity with multiversal duties and able to employ Mbodies to appear in many places at once, i do NOT think the absorption of his Mbody by Thanos conclusively means that HOTI is more powerful than LT.

It is a universal power as its name suggests, it performed a universal feat, this was a universal event.

HOTI is clearly above the abstracts and the IG, but given LTs mbody has been destroyed by an alternate Reed Richards, its will has been thwarted by an alternate reality Korvac, it has shown it is not infallible. It has multiversal duties, it has shown there is a limit to how far it is willing to go to save any single universe out of the many it protects.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All youve done is merely provide another multiversal scale feat, the joining of all realities of the multiverse through the replication and distribution of a nexus point in every reality. Thank you. I had forgotten about that 🙂

Either way, the feat you originally mentioned never happened. Nice dodge, though. 👆

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
1- TOAA/God
2- Thanos + THOTU
3- Pre-Retcon Beyounder
4- Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
5- Edifice Rex (oh yeah!)
6- Living Tribunal
7- Who gives a shit, at this point?

1.Real God
2.Stan Lee/Marvel Comics
3.TOAA/Marvel U God
4. who gives a sh.it

Originally posted by Galan007
...Which was only possible when the alignment occurred, as the scans explicitly state.

Either way, the feat you originally mentioned never happened. Nice dodge, though. 👆

Ive just read the comic myself as opposed to just looking at a few scans i had on imageshack. Youre right it looks like Necrom just claimed he was doing it, it was inconclusive if he actually was.

However i like how you dodge the point that hosts of the Force have re-energized the M'kraan crystal with proven multiversal destructiion and recreation abilities.

The Force is a multiversal entity and it can empower its hosts to manipulate universes atomic structures and casually amputate and sever entire realities from the multiverse.

Jeans feats (energizing the crystal, manioulating the atomic structure of 616 and transporting it into the WHR and casually amputating a universe from the multiverse) are greater than absorbing a universe and LT Mbody and the Force in its role empowering such feats, empowering hosts multiverse wide and sustaining realities is clearly beyond that. All of those things are attributed to it and yet people here seem to need to see fisticuffs to process these points mentally 😬

I simply have no time to make a hierarchy instead leave it to my peers 😛

Knightmare6.com did prove what GS is saying

Everyone has their opinion on M-bodies and that's fair

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because you disagree?

The fact that just the other week you were clueless to the fact that the Phoenix is the Big Bang speaks volumes for your ignorance in these matters. 🙄

Instead of coming with an attitude, ask questions, ask for scans, dont let your shortcomings make you act like a penis 😬

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Reacting2
1.Real God
2.Stan Lee/Marvel Comics
3.TOAA/Marvel U God
4. who gives a sh.it

Every single incarnation of God, even fictional ones, is TOAA. TOAA is the ruler of the entire Omniverse, whose definition has been quoted enough times that I do not have to repeat it. This being said, 1 and 3 would technically be one and the same.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive just read the comic myself as opposed to just looking at a few scans i had on imageshack. Youre right it looks like Necrom just claimed he was doing it, it was inconclusive if he actually was.

Originally posted by Galan007

Considering the threat Thanos posed, there is no reason to assume LT (or any of the abstracts, for that matter) were using anything less than their full power against him. Suggesting they were only accessing a fractional percentage of their total power is illogical, given the situation.

Aside from that, Thanos effortlessly absorbed all matter/energy in the universe (the big bang as you called it), along with all the abstracts within that universe (Eternity, Infinity, LT, etc.) He then, just as effortlessly, recreated said universe from scratch--this time without the "cosmic cancer" that no other abstract seemed capable of eradicating, and he also made some life assuring changes for himself as well... Like it or not, neither Phoenix or LT have [unarguable/conclusive] on panel feats on par with that. I personally feel that if the PF would have been in the universe as Thanos began his frenzy, she would have been absorbed just as easily as everyone/thing else. I think the moral of the story (especially given the fact that it was written by Starlin, who is perhaps the biggest Thanos fanboy on earth) is that there was NO force in existence capable of stopping Thanos--he had to stop himself.

Just MO.

Originally posted by CortSether
Dear GalacticStorm,

Get out.

Sincerely,

CortSether

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Hosts with access to a portion of the Force have manipulated the energies of [B]the entire multiverse in order to begin the compression all realities into a singularity-

[/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The fact that just the other week you were clueless to the fact that the Phoenix is the Big Bang speaks volumes for your ignorance in these matters.

Originally posted by the Darkone

Doing my little research, Mr. Master is pretty much on point!!!