Originally posted by abhilegend
Different forms of intangibility. J'onn has in lack of better terms a better form of intangibility than people who get intangible by sliding their atoms through other substances like kitty, flash or superman.
that's cool man, never knew mm had a different form of phasing. How does it work? Do you think he would be able to phase through a magical shield like this? Kitty seemed to have problems....
Originally posted by nwg202
that's cool man, never knew mm had a different form of phasing. How does it work? Do you think he would be able to phase through a magical shield like this? Kitty seemed to have problems....
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why? There is only a certain amount of elements that compose all of existence. Iron is a pretty big one... why would MM have NO iron in his body?The human body is:
Oxygen (65%)
Carbon (18%)
Hydrogen (10%)
Nitrogen (3%)
Calcium (1.5%)
Phosphorus (1.0%)
Potassium (0.35%)
Sulfur (0.25%)
Sodium (0.15%)
Magnesium (0.05%)
Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)Martian physiology is different... but there are only 90 some odd elements that exist in nature. It's pretty likely that MM would have iron in his body on some level, and if no iron than one of a dozen other magnetic elements.
I'm not saying that he shouldn't ever have iron in his blood (assuming he even has blood half of the time), just that it's kind of retarded to be beaten that way when a simple mental command will remove all iron from your system.
And given his extreme ability to control himself, someone manipulating his form is tbh, pretty ridiculous.
And you were drunk, so...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha logically....tasers would f*** Wolverine up something bad. They do not rely on pain, and there's nothing for the vaunted healing factor to heal.So Batman should be able to take 10/10 against him with this tactic.
Yet, when I last asked srank about it, he casually laughed in my face about it!!
I guess its not PIS that Wolverine shrugs it off.....
Yes, I was butthurt about it. It was sore for days.
I laughed in your face about it because there is no "logic" behind it.
First of all, there is pain behind a taser... being shocked hurts, but I'm going to assume that what you meant to say is that it doesn't rely on damage the body (which it also does... just damage to the nervous system which is less conventional). As explained to you the previous time you brought this up Wolverine's healing factor is more than just the human norm heightened to the 1000th degree, he can regenerate organs and more importantly to this particular discussion, Wolverine can repair and regenerate his central nervous system. When a normal person is shocked with a high enough voltage, their nervous system shorts out, (although through training even a normal person can regain enough control of their bodily functions to grab and remove the taser barb after the initial shock), but Wolverine's healing factor works on his CNS, he will start regenerating new neurons an synapses, in essence rebooting his CNS as the need arises. If Wolverine's healing factor was simply a heightened version of what you or I can do naturally you would be right, but it isn't. Wolverine's healing factor extends to his CNS.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I laughed in your face about it because there is no "logic" behind it.
That hurts :-(
First of all, there is pain behind a taser... being shocked hurts, but I'm going to assume that what you meant to say is that it doesn't rely on damage the body (which it also does... just damage to the nervous system which is less conventional).
As explained to you the previous time you brought this up
Wolverine's healing factor is more than just the human norm heightened to the 1000th degree, he can regenerate organs and more importantly to this particular discussion, Wolverine can repair and regenerate his central nervous system.
When a normal person is shocked with a high enough voltage, their nervous system shorts out,
But a taser doesn't 'short' it out - that would kill them. Unless you're saying that as soon as the voltage is removed, they 'reboot' their CNS?
(although through training even a normal person can regain enough control of their bodily functions to grab and remove the taser barb after the initial shock),
but Wolverine's healing factor works on his CNS, he will start regenerating new neurons an synapses, in essence rebooting his CNS as the need arises.
And if the voltage is constantly being applied.....rebooting his CNS just to get shorted out again doesn't really help. And adding MORE neurons and synapses (because the old ones don't get really get destroyed - otherwise everyone who's ever been tased would be dain bramaged) would just worsen the situation.
I can have a short in my PC, which would fry my motherboard. I replace the components, but, crucially, don't fix the cause of the shorting (maybe I leave bare wires in the case, whatever). I restart the PC. The endless cycle continues.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That hurts :-(
🙁
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That is what I was getting at. Yes, it causes some damage, but the main effect of tasering is that you lose voluntary control thanks to the spasming effect of the electricity.
Figured.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Really? All you did was post a gif from Attack the Block, then left.
That does sound like something I would do... was it a cool gif?
Anyway even if it wasn't me, I'm certain it was explained to you by someone.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's....a human norm amped to the 1000th odd degree. Unless you're arguing semantics...
No. Repairing your nervous system and regenerating organs (that aren't the liver) isn't something the human body can do with out manipulating our genetic code. If you speed up the human bodies ability normal biological ability to heal it wouldn't be able to do many of the things that Wolverine's healing factor is capable of.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But a taser doesn't 'short' it out - that would kill them. Unless you're saying that as soon as the voltage is removed, they 'reboot' their CNS?
Yes that's what I was implying.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, a normal person can train themselves...but considering Bats constantly deals with people like Killer Croc, junkies hopped up on meth, Bane etc, he's probably got something a bit more powerful than that. Not the main point, mind you.
Probably but that might prove to be counter productive. The idea of a taser is that it is a non lethal means of incapacitating a person by confusing their nervous system and the brains ability to interpret electrical signals. Batman could up the amp to match the voltage and try and do some more conventional damage.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And if the voltage is constantly being applied.....rebooting his CNS just to get shorted out again doesn't really help. And adding MORE neurons and synapses (because the old ones don't get really get destroyed - otherwise everyone who's ever been tased would be dain bramaged) would just worsen the situation.I can have a short in my PC, which would fry my motherboard. I replace the components, but, crucially, don't fix the cause of the shorting (maybe I leave bare wires in the case, whatever). I restart the PC. The endless cycle continues.
You are right, and that's exactly what would happen until the current is broken. Wolverine's healing factor would constantly repair and "reboot" his nervous system, it wouldn't remove the effects of the taser, just simply power through it until the connection is severed. It would not by any accounts be a pleasant experience, but it's easy enough to remove the taser barbs so I don't imagine it would be a prolonged experience.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This isn't wolverine vs a taser thread guys.
True, apologies.
But srank is not as much a dick as I previously thought so....I am prepared now to listen to him. Everyone wins!
And I guess the issue will need to be taken off into some other thread...but at least there is discussion!
