Originally posted by abhilegendI'll accept it uhuh
That's all I got from the respect thread.😮
I posted that before phil.
And since when did simply throwing a punch indicate skill. I'm saying this to previous post where someone says it shows Thor throwing a punch.
If simply throwing a punch indicated skill well then we would all be masterful people right 😛
Originally posted by Silent MasterCan you show him doing so in human form, up against a master martial artist in a body comparable to Batman's, who blindsided him at the start of the fight?
I'm fairly sure several of the Thor scans show him throwing punches.
Because I can send you pics of me throwing punches, too.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou're deluding yourself if you believe that what Superman did was in any way skillful.
I agree with this.Flashy and elegant moves are more style influenced than skill. Hence the Captain America analogy I made a few pages back.
Brawling is a skill in of itself.
Wide-swinging haymakers without keeping your guard up (After, yes, he was rammed into a tree) do not demonstrate any sort of signifigant skill, at all.
Do you believe Rocky Marciano or Muhammad Ali fought like that? Rocky wasn't "pretty" but he kept his guard up when he threw a punch, and didn't waste movements with wide-swinging punches that don't even add any power to the blows.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're deluding yourself if you believe that what Superman did was in any way skillful.Wide-swinging haymakers without keeping your guard up (After, yes, he was rammed into a tree) do not demonstrate any sort of signifigant skill, at all.
Do you believe Rocky Marciano or Muhammad Ali fought like that? Rocky wasn't "pretty" but he kept his guard up when he threw a punch, and didn't waste movements with wide-swinging punches that don't even add any power to the blows.
I'm not even arguing for what Superman did was skillful or not in that specific instance. Personally, I think Superman is more skilled than people initially give him credit for. I feel the same about Thor.
I just agree with the general idea that Comet and I have both posed in this thread early on and in other threads: that being flashy in of itself doesn't make you more skilled than someone who isn't overtly flashy. Visually, it looks cool, but often the more simple stuff is far more effective.
Originally posted by Don Corleone
^well yeah, that's Superman. It's odd to see Thor doing jumps. He's more of a brawler team wrecker.
Thor once jumped from the streets of Manhattan up to a high rise building in his Jake Olsen days, too.
Theoretically, anyone with the level of strength that Thor or his peers have could do that. He's moved millions of tons with his legs, before. Hell, a lot of powers that might seem character specific (ie. Hulk jumping for miles or Superman having super breath (not specifically arctic breath, but the ability to exhale hurricane type force) should be shared amongst bricks considering they're just applications of superhuman leg muscles and lung capacity.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not even arguing for what Superman did was skillful or not in that specific instance. Personally, I think Superman is more skilled than people initially give him credit for. I feel the same about Thor.I just agree with the general idea that Comet and I have both posed in this thread early on and in other threads: that being flashy in of itself doesn't make you more skilled than someone who isn't overtly flashy. Visually, it looks cool, but often the more simple stuff is far more effective.
Agreed. I've seen Thor battle over 10 opponents at once. He's got to have some skill to be able to engage so many. Even if it doesn't look pretty.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI agree, the basics are dominant in martial arts.
I'm not even arguing for what Superman did was skillful or not in that specific instance.I just agree with the general idea that Comet and I have both posed in this thread early on and in other threads: that being flashy in of itself doesn't make you more skilled than someone who isn't overtly flashy. Visually, it looks cool, but often the more simple stuff is far more effective.
But Superman's fights like a thug most of the time. I don't know how that can be argued. A typical fight with him is: Wild haymaker > Block with face > Wild haymaker > Block with face, confinue for rest of fight.
Now granted, this isn't restricted to just Superman. Thor does the same thing. Even Batman rarely convinces me that he is nearly as skilled a fighter as he is supposed to be. It's an aspect of the medium as a whole.
I'm just buttmad, lol.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No one is saying that at all so calm down.
I'm very calm, indeed I think it's funny. Thor fights more clumsy and more like an brawler then Clark, from all the scans presented. Clark is the one using more agility, tactics and pressure points. Thor has some haymakers too, or wild punches but funny enough, everything he does is labeled as skill while everything Superman does is seen as wild, mindless brawling with environmental factors...
My stance is that Thor "should" be the better fighter, because he is a warrior who fought for some thousands of years. But even such a warrior can be surpassed in skill by devoted humans, like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist or Batman. It's not unlikely that Superman could be better, he has also a thousand years of exp, trained with the best and used his h2h skill in an more impressive way on panel then Thor but most writers would give an edge to Thor, for obvious reasons, and i agree.
I still give it to thor, because I pity him already for being weaker, slower and less intelligent.
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Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually the argument seems to be, Superman throwing a punch = master martial artist whereas Thor throwing a punch = unskilled brawler.dur
See, two can play at your game.
Reread my first post, I give Thor the win. I see both as skilled fighters. The skill-gap is as small as the strength gap.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I agree, the basics are dominant in martial arts.But Superman's fights like a thug most of the time. I don't know how that can be argued. A typical fight with him is: Wild haymaker > Block with face > Wild haymaker > Block with face, confinue for rest of fight.
Now granted, this isn't restricted to just Superman. Thor does the same thing. Even Batman rarely convinces me that he is nearly as skilled a fighter as he is supposed to be. It's an aspect of the medium as a whole.
I'm just buttmad, lol.
Fair enough.
I think Superman is extraordinary skilled in terms of combat using his plethora of abilities. For someone as limited as he is in comparison to the versatile open ended powerset heralds, he's pretty effective when he wants to be or doesn't simply barrel over the opposition with force. Removing everything else in play, he's pretty skilled in H2H. Calling him a master martial artist is a bit of a stretch, imo.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I'm very calm, indeed I think it's funny. Thor fights more clumsy and more like an brawler then Clark, from all the scans presented. Clark is the one using more agility, tactics and pressure points. Thor has some haymakers too, or wild punches but funny enough, everything he does is labeled as skill while everything Superman does is seen as wild, mindless brawling with environmental factors...My stance is that Thor "should" be the better fighter, because he is a warrior who fought for some thousands of years. But even such a warrior can be surpassed in skill by devoted humans, like Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist or Batman. It's not unlikely that Superman could be better, he has also a thousand years of exp, trained with the best and used his h2h skill in an more impressive way on panel then Thor.
I still give it to thor, because I pity him already for being weaker, slower and less intelligent.
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What are you talking about? Superman is getting credit here. By you, Phil, abhil, myself, Comet, Bran, etc. So, please, don't act like Superman is being demeaned here and lowballed or something with a good portion of the active participants in this thread are acknowledging his skill. Even if people think Thor is more skilled or they're equal or whatever, Superman isn't being victimized here.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What are you talking about? Superman is getting credit here. By you, Phil, abhil, myself, Comet, Bran, etc. So, please, don't act like Superman is being demeaned here and lowballed or something with a good portion of the active participants in this thread are acknowledging his skill. Even if people think Thor is more skilled or they're equal or whatever, Superman isn't being victimized here.
Stop being such a whiny pu**y Jake... I was talking to the few lowballers, so let me have my fun uhuh