Thor vs Superman-HTH

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I hope this isn't how the fight ended... because that shows no skill at all...

This is how the fight ended:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesKobra4.jpg

Important to note is that this fight took place shortly after his death at the hands of Doomsday, and he hadn't yet received the training from Mongul, afterwhich he increased his formidability to the point where he was repeatedly using skill with pressure points and references to his training within fights.

eg.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/martialartsmongul.jpg

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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvspzzod19.jpg

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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/mindovermight.jpg

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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/pressurepointparalysis1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/pressurepointparalysis2.jpg

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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/tempestpressurepoint.jpg

etc.

Originally posted by Newjak
Show me scans of the best MA in the universe being beaten by Orion on even footing 😛

To recover this spirit and once again take his rightful place as protector of New Genesis he goes up against his once and former teacher, Valkrya, a being known as the greatest martial artist in the universe.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-16.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-17.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-18.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
What level of skill does backing into a tree place him at?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He backed into a tree.

I'm all for finding skill feats out of non flashy shit, but backing into a tree is not very skillfull.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I agree with Jake's statement but that isn't as good as you think. It worked but up until then he was getting beaten like a red headed step child.

One lucky desperate move does not a skilled fighter make.

Remember when Thor used to grab his own wrist... and then uppercut people? WTF was that about?

Originally posted by Philosophía
No, that was just to reference Kobra's skill level and Superman being unaccostumed to the depowered, human body.

This is how the fight ended:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesKobra4.jpg

trick wrist.

supporting it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh I didn't know that kobra was koed by that tree attack and here I thought that batman's suit dampens such impacts. Beating a master of every known martial arts on earth in one of the most durable street level hero's body in three punches isn't enough.
Superman was sucker shotted before that. Once he gained his footing, he floored kobra in three punches.

You learned how it ended at the same time I did. Maybe before or after depending on who saw Phildo's post first.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion is left a peace loving individual with virtually no skill or spirit in the ways of combat.

To recover this spirit and once again take his rightful place as protector of New Genesis he goes up against his once and former teacher, Valkrya, a being known as the greatest martial artist in the universe.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-16.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-17.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-07-18.jpg
Oh I didn't know that kobra was koed by that tree attack and here I thought that batman's suit dampens such impacts. Beating a master of every known martial arts on earth in one of the most durable street level hero's body in three punches isn't enough.
Superman was sucker shotted before that. Once he gained his footing, he floored kobra in three punches.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
trick wrist.

supporting it.

So what you're saying is that Thor is a limp wristed Nancy boy?

^Weak bieb. Phil just showed how the fight ended.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That's better. Although it's not that good of a skill showing, but we're talking about Thor here, so meh.

...What....do people use to determine 'skill' anyway?

Skill is not quantifiable.

Skill is just a catch all term that can be broken down into subterms like speed, reaction time, and hand-eye-coordination.

So with that said, why is not that not a good 'skill' showing?

He beat a guy a who blindsided him, in a few moves.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Weak bieb. Phil just showed how the fight ended.

Why you don't understand why I pasted that is beyond me.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
...What....do people use to determine 'skill' anyway?

Skill is not quantifiable.

Skill is just a catch all term that can be broken down into subterms like speed, reaction time, and hand-eye-coordination.

So with that said, why is not that not a good 'skill' showing?

He beat a guy a who blindsided him, in a few moves.

However, he gained momentum off of stunning him with a tree. It's like that video where the guy headkicks someone in a street fight after stunning him with a punch.

I'm not saying it's bad, since it shows incredible craftyness, but it isn't something that jumps out and screams that Superman is top level in MA.

That pressure point he landed on Batman however is ridiculous.

It's not a good skill showing because he threw wild haymakers like an idiotic caveman and used a double fisted hammer blow.

I have rarely been convinced a character in comics is a legitimately skilled combatant.

I'm fairly sure several of the Thor scans show him throwing punches.

What makes a move look elegant vs brawling on a page? We can't see the flow of movement in still images.

And why does that matter anyway?

It's not like being able to successfully land a haymaker is not a good skill showing against an experienced fighter, hell, it more so shows that your time is just that good. Good timing, also a component of skill.

Originally posted by Newjak
Then next time post what happens before and after uhuh

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I hope this isn't how the fight ended... because that shows no skill at all...

You learned how it ended at the same time I did. Maybe before or after depending on who saw Phildo's post first.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman in kobra's body vs kobra in batman's body

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted that before phil.

Still doesn't change me responding to what Phil showed me at the time.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What makes a move look elegant vs brawling on a page? We can't see the flow of movement in still images.

And why does that matter anyway?

It's not like being able to successfully land a haymaker is not a good skill showing against an experience fighter, hell, it more shows that your time is just that good. Good timing, also a component of skill.

I agree with this.

Flashy and elegant moves are more style influenced than skill. Hence the Captain America analogy I made a few pages back.

Brawling is a skill in of itself.

Thor can jump . 😖mart: 😛

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What makes a move look elegant vs brawling on a page? We can't see the flow of movement in still images.

And why does that matter anyway?

It's not like being able to successfully land a haymaker is not a good skill showing against an experienced fighter, hell, it more so shows that your time is just that good. Good timing, also a component of skill.

It helps that the guy was stunned from being rammed into a tree.