Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's battled the likes of Hercules (Blood Oath notwithstanding) and Hulk evenly without Mjolnir, beaten down Loki and Fenris (both armed with bastardized Mjolnirs) weaponless, etc. He's not more skilled than Captain America, though neither is Superman so it's a moot point, and said Captain considers him to be extremely competent when it comes to the art of war and tactics and fought evenly beside him while depowered.It would mean squat if it was just an oft repeated statement with no merit, but as most things, you have to dig for yourself to see if there's any substance to go alongside it.
Superman has battled evenly with orion and dominated wonder woman, beaten down foes with actual martial arts display, shown actual pressure point attacks. I'm not talking about thor being more skilled than cap, I'm talking about hawkman being more skilled than cap due to him being "experienced in countless wars".
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has battled evenly with orion and dominated wonder woman, beaten down foes with actual martial arts display, shown actual pressure point attacks. I'm not talking about thor being more skilled than cap, I'm talking about hawkman being more skilled than cap due to him being "experienced in countless wars".
Well, knowing pressure points doesn't make you some kind of zen master or something for one. Valkyrie and Sif know pressure point strikes and they've been out skilled by Thor before.
Random off topic rant: Does it bug you when people think that in order to be "skilled" in comics, you basically have to fight like a ninja or some shit? That always annoyed me. Like Captain America isn't as skilled as someone like Shang Chi or Batman because he doesn't do overly flashly bullshit. There's only so many ways you can throw a punch or kick. Stupid. Obviously not geared at you or anyone in particular, just a thought on my mind. Anyway...
And no, I wouldn't say Hawkman isn't more skilled than Captain America (who also has "countless war fighting experience"😉. But Cap is God anyway.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not drunk enough for this shit.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Random off topic rant: Does it bug you when people think that in order to be "skilled" in comics, you basically have to fight like a ninja or some shit? That always annoyed me. Like Captain America isn't as skilled as someone like Shang Chi or Batman because he doesn't do overly flashly bullshit. There's only so many ways you can throw a punch or kick. Stupid. Obviously not geared at you or anyone in particular, just a thought on my mind. Anyway...
I've said this exact thing before in another thread. And I believe you agreed there too.
Ninjas are made of fail anyway.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Random off topic rant: Does it bug you when people think that in order to be "skilled" in comics, you basically have to fight like a ninja or some shit? That always annoyed me. Like Captain America isn't as skilled as someone like Shang Chi or Batman because he doesn't do overly flashly bullshit. There's only so many ways you can throw a punch or kick. Stupid. Obviously not geared at you or anyone in particular, just a thought on my mind. Anyway...
I've been in countless debates over that very thing
Originally posted by quanchi112
How much sense does it to say experience doesn't mean an advantage.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, knowing pressure points doesn't make you some kind of zen master or something for one. Valkyrie and Sif know pressure point strikes and they've been out skilled by Thor before.Random off topic rant: Does it bug you when people think that in order to be "skilled" in comics, you basically have to fight like a ninja or some shit? That always annoyed me. Like Captain America isn't as skilled as someone like Shang Chi or Batman because he doesn't do overly flashly bullshit. There's only so many ways you can throw a punch or kick. Stupid. Obviously not geared at you or anyone in particular, just a thought on my mind. Anyway...
And no, I wouldn't say Hawkman isn't more skilled than Captain America (who also has "countless war fighting experience"😉. But Cap is God anyway.
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Originally posted by abhilegendIt's still a minor advantage.
In comics, it rarely does.Yeah, it bugs me too but its the way comics are written. He's also trained with bruce to become a street level hero when his powers were gone. I don't think superman is any less skilled in throwing punches and kicks, its what he really does.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In comics, it rarely does.Yeah, it bugs me too but its the way comics are written. He's also trained with bruce to become a street level hero when his powers were gone. I don't think superman is any less skilled in throwing punches and kicks, its what he really does.
That's why I said that I would give Thor 6/10 over Superman.I'm not one of the guys who will say it will be a stomp in favor of either Thor or Superman.