Originally posted by abhilegendOP says only strength and skill, so I don't think Superman will have access to his Healing Actor.
I would say its 5.5-6/10 in favor of superman. Stronger, more durable, more agile and a better healing factor.
As for edges, without his Super Speed I don't think Superman will be more agile then Thor, I'll give you strength and speed.
As for skill. I'm gonna give it to Thor for the same reasons I give the Superman the rather large speed gap advantage. Thor has a much more extensive list then Superman does and some feats that are better than Superman's.
Thor has been trained since he was kid and even then we've seen his skill. He's beaten Sif a very skilled warrior in unarmed and armed combat. He has often when needed to been able to rely on his warrior skills to over come obstacles countless times. Beating Man-BEast when he is using techniques from millions of years into the future.
I don't think Superman is as skilled as Thor and a lot like the speed advantage I don't think it would be close. Superman has good skill Thor has amazing skill.
I would say Thor would take a high majority 8/10 in this match. Superman's strength and durability edge means he can take a few but he's not beating Thor on skill alone, and I think it's wide enough that Superman's advantages won't mean a lot here.
Originally posted by Newjak
OP says only strength and skill, so I don't think Superman will have access to his Healing Actor.As for edges, without his Super Speed I don't think Superman will be more agile then Thor, I'll give you strength and speed.
As for skill. I'm gonna give it to Thor for the same reasons I give the Superman the rather large speed gap advantage. Thor has a much more extensive list then Superman does and some feats that are better than Superman's.
Thor has been trained since he was kid and even then we've seen his skill. He's beaten Sif a very skilled warrior in unarmed and armed combat. He has often when needed to been able to rely on his warrior skills to over come obstacles countless times. Beating Man-BEast when he is using techniques from millions of years into the future.
I don't think Superman is as skilled as Thor and a lot like the speed advantage I don't think it would be close. Superman has good skill Thor has amazing skill.
I would say Thor would take a high majority 8/10 in this match. Superman's strength and durability edge means he can take a few but he's not beating Thor on skill alone, and I think it's wide enough that Superman's advantages won't mean a lot here.
Originally posted by abhilegendI didn't take away their durability. I said Superman doesn't get his healing factor which isn't a part of his durability. Durability is his ability to resist damage, his HF is his ability to recover from it.
So we are taking their durability away too? Its part of superman's durability.
Nope, kal has done nightwing-esque flips while depowered in the tower of fate.
I don't see it any more extensive than superman's. Man beast was taken down by thor's strength, superman regularly stalemates orion who is a peer of him in strength and one of the best martial artist too. He's also beaten kobra while in a foreign body to himself. You think superman has never been depowered. He has taken actual rigourous training from bruce for being a street level hero when he was depowered and took down a horde of parademon once while depowered. Anyone thinking thor taking 8/10 in such a match based upon a few skill showing while discarding actual martial arts display from superman is simply deluding themselves.
So doing a flip makes him more agile, I'm sure a depowered Thor has done much better or at the very least something similar.
And it's not a few skill showings, it's the entire span of Thor's career. He does it constantly.
I'm not saying Superman isn't skilled but I think the gap between their skill level is far wider than the strength gap between them.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't the Kobra fight consist of Superman throwing 3 punches? It's hardly the epic martial art showdown that people want it to be.
Originally posted by Newjak
I didn't take away their durability. I said Superman doesn't get his healing factor which isn't a part of his durability. Durability is his ability to resist damage, his HF is his ability to recover from it.So doing a flip makes him more agile, I'm sure a depowered Thor has done much better or at the very least something similar.
And it's not a few skill showings, it's the entire span of Thor's career. He does it constantly.
I'm not saying Superman isn't skilled but I think the gap between their skill level is far wider than the strength gap between them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How was man beast beaten by thor? I thought I heard Jake complaining about some flashy displays of ninja like fighting being the only measure of skill in comics? So pressure points and flips aren't indicative of skill, beating martial artist isn't impressive too? What are we looking for here?
So, the Kobra fight is about as impressive as the Man-beast fight, I can live with that.