Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well there isn't nothing strictly Neph. Iruka did say that people considered him the strongest of the Hokage and Kabuto did say he was the strongest of the current 5 Kage. However, both of these statements seemed based on hearsay, rather than strict fact.
Stronger than Onoki then?
Still much weaker than Madara, never mind Hashirama. awesome
I wouldn't even say stronger than Onoki. I think Kabuto was just trying to make Orochimaru feel better. I have no doubt that Hiruzen was strong but Onoki is a very high standard, being older than Hiruzen and having better feats.
Also, if we go by the data book, Tsunade was a "better" ninja than Old Sarutobi.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, that is exactly what it is. You said that the databook says he's the strongest Hokage and then failed to provide the quote to back it up. You expect me to provide it for you? Good joke, but no dice. Its pretty clear to me that no such quote actually exists and you're once again trolling a thread for your amusement and wasting my time.In which case, my point stands uncontested. There [b]is
nothing that states that Sarutobi was the strongest Hokage. Therefore it stands to reason that he was not.How is it a 'new way of trolling?' Rofl, providing evidence for your claim is the most basic part of a debate. If you don't even know that then why did you even try to take me on? [/B]
No, I don't expect you to provide it for me. I don't care if you look it up or not. It doesn't matter. But you cross the line into demanding we do something for you. AA was nicer about it than I was, of course (because he's not as big of a douche as I am) but there's plenty of sources for you to have looked up, yourself. It's no okay to demand someone do something.
Pages 117 and 265, first databook, is what you're interested in. BTW, I downloaded it. It took me a massive 5 minutes to find it and download it. Yet, you accuse me of being lazy.
I am lazy. Lazy as ****. But it just seems like something the philosophical laymen do on the internet these days: deMAND proooofffsfsfssfs of something they could easily look up. I think it's trolling and a b**** ass thing to do. It would be different if you demanded proof of a study I had just conducted and it was not yet published in a medical/psychology journal. But this is the Naruto databooks in a sub-forum dedicated to manga and anime, in a thread dedicated to Naruto. Go ahead, demand away.
Lemme go step into a Dragonball fan thread and deMAND they show me proof that the original statement from Vegeta's scouter showed 8000 PL. I DEMAND IT! 😠 😠 😠 😠
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I wouldn't even say stronger than Onoki. I think Kabuto was just trying to make Orochimaru feel better. I have no doubt that Hiruzen was strong but Onoki is a very high standard, being older than Hiruzen and having better feats.Also, if we go by the data book, Tsunade was a "better" ninja than Old Sarutobi.
Better all-around ninja, for sure. She has more stamina and speed, iirc. That was Hiruzen's weak spot and why he couldn't just roll over Oro.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I don't expect you to provide it for me. I don't care if you look it up or not. It doesn't matter. But you cross the line into demanding we do something for you. AA was nicer about it than I was, of course (because he's not as big of a douche as I am) but there's plenty of sources for you to have looked up, yourself. It's no okay to demand someone do something.Pages 117 and 265, first databook, is what you're interested in. BTW, I downloaded it. It took me a massive 5 minutes to find it and download it. Yet, you accuse me of being lazy.
I am lazy. Lazy as ****. But it just seems like something the philosophical laymen do on the internet these days: deMAND proooofffsfsfssfs of something they could easily look up. I think it's trolling and a b**** ass thing to do. It would be different if you demanded proof of a study I had just conducted and it was not yet published in a medical/psychology journal. But this is the Naruto databooks in a sub-forum dedicated to manga and anime, in a thread dedicated to Naruto. Go ahead, demand away.
Lemme go step into a Dragonball fan thread and deMAND they show me proof that the original statement from Vegeta's scouter showed 8000 PL. I DEMAND IT! 😠 😠 😠 😠
I think you must have a bit of a persecution complex. I hardly demanded you do it, and even if you took my words that way, I would have thought the smilie and Ace Attorney pic indicated I wasn't serious. If you didn't want to do it you could have just said that you couldn't be bothered and I wouldn't have given a shit. There was no need to respond in such a condescending fashion.
That said, I can't afford to spend £30 on buying Winzip just so I can download proof for your argument. So could you please provide the quotes since you've already looked them up?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think you must have a bit of a persecution complex. I hardly demanded you do it, and even if you took my words that way, I would have thought the smilie and Ace Attorney pic indicated I wasn't serious.
Nah. I said "us", not "me". You should probably leave the internet pop-psych out of discussions.
And your initial post was fine. It was the subsequent posts that indicated you were definitely serious. Like this ----> 😐
Originally posted by Nephthys
If you didn't want to do it you could have just said that you couldn't be bothered and I wouldn't have given a shit. There was no need to respond in such a condescending fashion.
Nah, it's not the first time you have done that. It was something negative I noticed about your posting style that I figured I would point out. You know, just like you do to any other poster?
Originally posted by Nephthys
That said, I can't afford to spend £30 on buying Winzip just so I can download proof for your argument. So could you please provide the quotes since you've already looked them up?
WinRAR is free. So is 7-zip. Both are better than Winzip.
Now what? estahuh
And, no, I will not provide anything for you: I won't even upload the pages I just referenced for you. But I am looking at 264 and 265 right now. 1234 So could you just stop with this demand shit? 🙁
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I wouldn't even say stronger than Onoki. I think Kabuto was just trying to make Orochimaru feel better. I have no doubt that Hiruzen was strong but Onoki is a very high standard, being older than Hiruzen and having better feats.
Mind you, even if Onoki is stronger in raw power, I could see the very clever Hiruzen winning a fight, especially when young.
Originally posted by Q99
Mind you, even if Onoki is stronger in raw power, I could see the very clever Hiruzen winning a fight, especially when young.
That's my general opinion, as well. If he was said to be the strongest, he was the strongest.
But I think the fans should ask Kishimoto to clear up the power-creep problem he wrote in. There's plenty of things we could use to justify that there was no power creep. But Kishimoto needs to explain things, himself.
I have the Official Character Data Book an this is what it says of Sarutobi Hiruzen:
''In the history of Konoha, no Hokage is as beloved by the people as Hiruzen. Not only beacuse of his abilities in ninjustu, which earned him the nickname ''Professor,'' but for his almost paternal love for the village. This was so even toward the Uchiha clan, which planned the revolt...''
That is, if you want information of another character or an especific justu feel free to tell me 🙂.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I wouldn't even say stronger than Onoki. I think Kabuto was just trying to make Orochimaru feel better. I have no doubt that Hiruzen was strong but Onoki is a very high standard, being older than Hiruzen and having better feats.Also, if we go by the data book, Tsunade was a "better" ninja than Old Sarutobi.
Onoki has Dust-Release, but that doesn't mean Hiruzen could not beat him in a straight fight.
Still would mean that he's < Hashirama though. awesome
Tsunade being > Old Hiruzen, I do not doubt. vin
Also, the Databooks are crap.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. I said "us", not "me". You should probably leave the internet pop-psych out of discussions.And your initial post was fine. It was the subsequent posts that indicated you were definitely serious. Like this ----> 😐
I don't know what you're talking about.
Yes, because you made it serious when you started to talk down to me.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, it's not the first time you have done that. It was something negative I noticed about your posting style that I figured I would point out. You know, just like you do to any other poster?
Thank you for the thought. But I don't think there'll be a need for you to do that in the future.
Originally posted by dadudemon
WinRAR is free. So is 7-zip. Both are better than Winzip.Now what? estahuh
Now I inform you that the link you provided doesn't have a translated version. So I just downloaded a book I can't read.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, I will not provide anything for you: I won't even upload the pages I just referenced for you. But I am looking at 264 and 265 right now. 1234 So could you just stop with this demand shit? 🙁
No. No-one else but you seems to be able to find this supposed proof that you're reading, and since its central to this discussion it would be pretty stupid not to provide it, if it does exist.
In future, please bare in mind that I'm going to want you to be able to actually prove your assertions when you make them. It'll save us another squabble like this one.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, because you made it serious when you started to talk down to me.
Awww cry
I sowwy. That was not my intentions, dude.
My intention was not to talk down to you, I was talking about how bullshit it was for you to make demands when you could easily find it yourself.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thank you the thought. But I don't think there'll be a need for you to do that in the future.
"Yeah, man, that's just like...your opinion."
Originally posted by Nephthys
Now I inform you that the link you provided doesn't have a translated version. So I just downloaded a book I can't read.
*groans*
Man...just....
😆
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. No-one else but you seems to be able to find this supposed proof that you're reading, and since its central to this discussion it would be pretty stupid not to provide it, if it does exist.
Dude, did you pray about it, yet? haermm2
😐
haermm2
Originally posted by Nephthys
In future, please bare in mind that I'm going to want you to be able to actually prove your assertions when you make them. It'll save us another squabble like this one.
I don't consider this a squabble. More like I was "bleeeeeh" with another one of your tactics.
Hey, you've called me out for douchy things in the past. Don't see why it can't be a two-way street.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Awww cryI sowwy. That was not my intentions, dude.
My intention was not to talk down to you, I was talking about how bullshit it was for you to make demands when you could easily find it yourself.
"Yeah, man, that's just like...your opinion."
*groans*
Man...just....
😆
Dude, did you pray about it, yet? haermm2
😐
haermm2
I don't consider this a squabble. More like I was "bleeeeeh" with another one of your tactics.
Hey, you've called me out for douchy things in the past. Don't see why it can't be a two-way street.
(Also the actual line is 'yeah, well, y'know thats just like, your opinion man'. Its seems that even when you do deign to quote, you **** it up.)
Has anyone who isn't an utter prick found the translation he's talking about? If not then I think the idea that Sarutobi is the strongest by way of 'canon' is pretty much dead.
Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video(Also the actual line is 'yeah, well, y'know thats just like, your opinion man'. Its seems that even when you do deign to quote, you **** it up.)
Has anyone who isn't an utter prick found the translation he's talking about? If not then I think the idea that Sarutobi is the strongest by way of 'canon' is pretty much dead.
It think I did really well for having seen the movie 1.5 times. But thanks for your feedback.
And I would like to correct another thing: I am not an utter prick: I said sorry and even indicated I cried with a smilie face (I didn't really cry...but I was trying to show remorse).
And deal with Sarutobi being the strongest and move on. You'll be fine.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I assumed that you were being sarcastic. Apologies if you were not, though you're still being irritatingly stubborn about this.
Deep down...you know you like...love me, man. hug
But...why do you do that brony stuff? Is it for humor or are you really a brony? If you are a brony, that's okay...but you don't seem the brony type.