Originally posted by abhilegend
Says the scans I produced and if you don't believe it here is superman blue telling the same thingPost crisis and under geoff johns?
All that scan proves is that the constructs are made of light which we already knew. When he makes a chair, no disputes that it's not a real chair, it's a light construct. All that proves is that he's disrupting Kyle's ability to think in that photo.
If the constructs themselves had no properties of the images that they are simulating, then a giant anvil wouldn't be heavy (like in that pic) and a bed of feather's wouldn't be soft.
That scan doesn't prove your claim in the slightest.
And it happening or not happening under johns doesn't mean they aren't capable of such. It just means johns hasn't written it into any stories. But has it been written that they can't do it when we've already seen before that they can?
Oh, and I don't have to prove a negative. It's already been proven that the ring can do it because Kyle has done it.
Originally posted by Odekahn
All that scan proves is that the constructs are made of light which we already knew. When he makes a chair, no disputes that it's not a real chair, it's a light construct. All that proves is that he's disrupting Kyle's ability to think in that photo.If the constructs themselves had no properties of the images that they are simulating, then a giant anvil wouldn't be heavy (like in that pic) and a bed of feather's wouldn't be soft.
That scan doesn't prove your claim in the slightest.
And it happening or not happening under johns doesn't mean they aren't capable of such. It just means johns hasn't written it into any stories. But has it been written that they can't do it when we've already seen before that they can?
Oh, and I don't have to prove a negative. It's already been proven that the ring can do it because Kyle has done it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Great, if we take that instance as standard and transplant kyle's feat on hal and let j'onn relay information on how to create synthetic kryptonite which btw supergirl has practically no sold and even then assume that hal can use it before kal punches his head off, then it might be useful in debate.
Danger room can also create hard light images with weight and all things, it can also produce kryptonite? What part of Hard light constructs you didn't understand?
Actually you have to prove that hal can produce kryptonite. Just because kyle with a different ring can do it, doesn't mean hal can do it too.
/facepalm
The point is that the ring is capable. Would you agree or not agree with that? Hal has done it pre crisis and it's been proven that the ring itself is still capable of producing it.
I've already wrote many times that a speedblitz isn't going to work and provided reasons why.
The Danger Room isn't the same as a GL ring. The ring is far more advanced and powerful than the Danger Room equipment. Also, kryptonite isn't in the Marvel universe so it's a moot point. It's never had the reason to even try to create it.
And Hal is a capable enough ring slinger to do anything Kyle can. Even in that scan you posted, it refers to Kyle as a rookie. Hal knows what he's doing.
You just don't want to admit it because you know it would be an auto loss for Superman.
Originally posted by Odekahn
/facepalmThe point is that the ring is capable. Would you agree or not agree with that? Hal has done it pre crisis and it's been proven that the ring itself is still capable of producing it.
I've already wrote many times that a speedblitz isn't going to work and provided reasons why.
The Danger Room isn't the same as a GL ring. The ring is far more advanced and powerful than the Danger Room equipment. Also, kryptonite isn't in the Marvel universe so it's a moot point. It's never had the reason to even try to create it.
And Hal is a capable enough ring slinger to do anything Kyle can. Even in that scan you posted, it refers to Kyle as a rookie. Hal knows what he's doing.
You just don't want to admit it because you know it would be an auto loss for Superman.
I know about the auto shields. A random kryptonian broke auto shields of both hal and john. Go figures.
facepalm That was sarcasm in reply to your "constructs are heavy" argument. Phail.
Except he has never done it and one time he came to superman in a bloodlusted mindset aimed to kill him and another time he planned a complex plan to neutralize him in his own book.
LOL, superman has no sold a nuke standing in kryptonite laced sand, overcame having iron in his blood transmuted in kryptonite and healed from a kryptonite sword to the heart in one page. He has also taken new krypton's destruction shockwave while bathed in kryptonite radiation and took original krypton's destruction under a red sun and kryptonite point blank and wasn't even koed. If you think that its an auto loss for superman, good for you. First prove hal can do it in the first place.
Originally posted by Odekahn
We don't know how much willpower it will take if any to shield from TP attacks. We don't know that the ring doesn't do it on it's own (I'm actually pretty confident that's how it works). Now it would take some if he were to try to shield Flash as well, but we don't even know that he would need to. MM might have a heck of a time trying to get into Flash's mind. And speedblitzing Hal is out because:1. Superman moves faster than thought, but the ring can shield Hal in time. The ring has become even more sophisticalted and advanced computer like as of late.
2. Flash can lend Hal speed if need be and... possibly steal speed from team 1? (not sure on that part)
3. Flash could stand in the way if all else fails.
And Hal isn't just going to be standing there while Supes pounds away on his shields. He's going to attack, quickly and decisively. All he needs is an opening and he can take down Superman. A kryptonite bullet did a number on Superman, so again I get the image of what a gatlin gun filled with kryptonite bullets would do to him. Is MM still terrified of fire? How about a green flame special served right as the bell rings?
There's just so many ways that Team 2 can win. They have the offence and the defense to boot.
Flash COULD steal speed from team 1, that's a fact. But it's not going to be easy. And again, I think with MMH coordinating the battle, and Superman knowing what Hal can do, they are going to take him down pretty quickly. And yeah, Flash is going to be faster than Superman, but we're not talking the speed difference of say, Superman vs the Hulk. And MMH is also pretty darn fast too. And both Superman and MMH can fly. It really depends on how each team fights, and to be honest, if Superman wasn't holding back, I'd give him the majority over that team by himself. Telepathy can be used on the Flash as well also.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle had a special ring. Feats can't be transplanted from one character to another anyway no matter how similar.I know about the auto shields. A random kryptonian broke auto shields of both hal and john. Go figures.
facepalm That was sarcasm in reply to your "constructs are heavy" argument. Phail.
Except he has never done it and one time he came to superman in a bloodlusted mindset aimed to kill him and another time he planned a complex plan to neutralize him in his own book.
LOL, superman has no sold a nuke standing in kryptonite laced sand, overcame having iron in his blood transmuted in kryptonite and healed from a kryptonite sword to the heart in one page. He has also taken new krypton's destruction shockwave while bathed in kryptonite radiation and took original krypton's destruction under a red sun and kryptonite point blank and wasn't even koed. If you think that its an auto loss for superman, good for you. First prove hal can do it in the first place.
Can Green Lantern rings emit radiation, yes or no?
Has a GL ring ever created Kryptonite before?
Has it been shown post crisis that a GL ring is still capable of producing Kryptonite?
Was the GL who did create it a rookie who didn't have half the experience and know-how of Hal Jordan?
And just because different writers don't include something into their story doesn't take away from what the characters are capable of. Because it has been shown to happen before on panel, and because you cannot quote me anywhere that states that they can no longer do it, you aren't making any grounds on your argument. You are making a claim that they can't do it when it's within their powerset and they've been shown to do it before.
You mean to try to tell me that a GL can make fire and water and other elements, but they can't duplicate kryptonite? Let's be serious.
Oh, and John Stewert sure didn't seem to have any trouble hurting Superman... without kryptonite. Imagine what a GL would do to him with it. A sword in the heart is pretty impressive, but I'd be more impressed if he got up and acted unscathed after a barrage of gatlin guns fired thousands of rounds in him and filled him full of super holes.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Can Green Lantern rings emit radiation, yes or no?Has a GL ring ever created Kryptonite before?
Has it been shown post crisis that a GL ring is still capable of producing Kryptonite?
Was the GL who did create it a rookie who didn't have half the experience and know-how of Hal Jordan?
And just because different writers don't include something into their story doesn't take away from what the characters are capable of. Because it has been shown to happen before on panel, and because you cannot quote me anywhere that states that they can no longer do it, you aren't making any grounds on your argument. You are making a claim that they can't do it when it's within their powerset and they've been shown to do it before.
You mean to try to tell me that a GL can make fire and water and other elements, but they can't duplicate kryptonite? Let's be serious.
Oh, and John Stewert sure didn't seem to have any trouble hurting Superman... without kryptonite. Imagine what a GL would do to him with it. A sword in the heart is pretty impressive, but I'd be more impressed if he got up and acted unscathed after a barrage of gatlin guns fired thousands of rounds in him and filled him full of super holes.
I agree with you that GLs can do everything that you're saying, but it's purely PIS when Superman gets hit by any bullet, even if Hal has the time to fire thousands of rounds of K bullets, Superman SHOULD be able to dodge them. (assuming Superman doesn't go for an immediate speed blitz and take Hal out). And again, it's going to take a LOT of concentration for Hal to shield himself and Flash from MMH's telepathy, so I wonder how much effort he can put into making all of those bullets.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I agree with you that GLs can do everything that you're saying, but it's purely PIS when Superman gets hit by any bullet, even if Hal has the time to fire thousands of rounds of K bullets, Superman SHOULD be able to dodge them. (assuming Superman doesn't go for an immediate speed blitz and take Hal out). And again, it's going to take a LOT of concentration for Hal to shield himself and Flash from MMH's telepathy, so I wonder how much effort he can put into making all of those bullets.
Well we don't know how much concentration it would take. Sinestro didn't even seem phased by TP. And if Flash steals speed from Superman, then Clark may not be able to move at the speed he technically should. And Flash can also lend Hal speed as well.
All Hal really has to do to deal with MMH is set the area around him on fire.
As for the Flash, Hal can simply make Wally a construct ring. Then he will have general(emphasis) GL powers and defenses as well.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Can Green Lantern rings emit radiation, yes or no?Has a GL ring ever created Kryptonite before?
Has it been shown post crisis that a GL ring is still capable of producing Kryptonite?
Was the GL who did create it a rookie who didn't have half the experience and know-how of Hal Jordan?
And just because different writers don't include something into their story doesn't take away from what the characters are capable of. Because it has been shown to happen before on panel, and because you cannot quote me anywhere that states that they can no longer do it, you aren't making any grounds on your argument. You are making a claim that they can't do it when it's within their powerset and they've been shown to do it before.
You mean to try to tell me that a GL can make fire and water and other elements, but they can't duplicate kryptonite? Let's be serious.
Oh, and John Stewert sure didn't seem to have any trouble hurting Superman... without kryptonite. Imagine what a GL would do to him with it. A sword in the heart is pretty impressive, but I'd be more impressed if he got up and acted unscathed after a barrage of gatlin guns fired thousands of rounds in him and filled him full of super holes.
Does hal jordan being a seasoned gl automatically knows how to create kryptonite?
Ok, T-vo ftw.
What's in their powerset? According to their powerset they can create hard light images.
facepalm Did you just compare water and fire to kryptonite?
Superman stopped john stewart by creating a tornado once and oneshotted him on another ocassion. He cheapshotted him in eyes with laser saying that it was his weak point in his body. If that is the case his own HV would make him go blind.
A random kryptonian busted hal's auto shield like tissue paper and superman oneshotted the same kryptonian on the next panel. Imagine what a full force punch from superman would do to hal.
BTW you still have to prove that hal can produce kryptonite.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Today's rings, no.
Provide me the source that lanterns have lost this ability. When a GL ring has been shown to be capable of this, and you claim it cannot be done, the burden of proof IS on you.
Yes, synthetic kryptonite by a special ring by instructions implanted in the user's head by a telepath.
Kyle was a rookie, lol. I don't see how this is hard to understand. The GL ring has evolved into a sophisticated computer. In the latest GL issue it provided Hal an entire 100 million square mile map of an alien planet. You don't think it knows the compounds of kryptonite?
Does hal jordan being a seasoned gl automatically knows how to create kryptonite?
Even if Hal doesn't know, the ring would.
Ok, T-vo ftw.What's in their powerset? According to their powerset they can create hard light images.
That's one of their abilities, lol. They can also do other things like... oh... create pocket dimensions, create elements within their constructs, translate alien languages, etc. etc. etc.
facepalm Did you just compare water and fire to kryptonite?
I compared an element to an element, yes. And that a GL ring can mimic each.
Superman stopped john stewart by creating a tornado once and oneshotted him on another ocassion. He cheapshotted him in eyes with laser saying that it was his weak point in his body. If that is the case his own HV would make him go blind.
Except that's not really the point I was making. My point had nothing to do with John Stewert. The point was that a GL can hurt Superman even without kryptonite and that with it, Superman doesn't stand a chance.
A random kryptonian busted hal's auto shield like tissue paper and superman oneshotted the same kryptonian on the next panel. Imagine what a full force punch from superman would do to hal.BTW you still have to prove that hal can produce kryptonite.
And yet Hal has stood toe to toe with the likes of Mongul (with a broken arm at that) and fist fought him. Even in the new Justice League series, Supes was breaking through Hal's shield (Hal's a rookie at this point) but it wasn't with a single shot. It was repeated shots and Hal's shields were starting to crack.
But even IF he wasn't able to create kryptonite (which he could) team 1 could be facing two Flash GLs. Wally lends Hal speed, and Hal creates a ring for Wally. It's ownage by team 2 no matter what way you look at it.
