I don't base it on one showing, but it does really seem like Thor has been steadily being depowered lately. His durability has gone WAY downhill. And even at his most powerful (it almost seems like 616 is being influenced by the early Ultimate Universe, in trying to go for some added realism), I'd have a hard time thinking that he could match Orion in durability and strength.
I'd go for Orion. Thor is powerful but I haven't seen him that impressive without mjolnir. Sure he has the potential but Orion doesn't seem to bothered when not fighting with his harness.
NOT TO MENTION THAT PIECE OF SHIT EQUIPMENT LOOKS TERRIBLE! I mean how could he fly with that thing? It looks like an incomplete ab-fitness equipment.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I don't base it on one showing, but it does really seem like Thor has been steadily being depowered lately. His durability has gone WAY downhill. And even at his most powerful (it almost seems like 616 is being influenced by the early Ultimate Universe, in trying to go for some added realism), I'd have a hard time thinking that he could match Orion in durability and strength.
Honestly, I don't think Thor's been depowered. Some portrayals have him struggle with Tutinex and get dismissed by Taurus...and then looking at Chaos War, Fear Itself, and how he's been handled under Fraction (and even Bendis to a degree), it's really hard to argue how he's been nerfed.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Honestly, I don't think Thor's been depowered. Some portrayals have him struggle with Tutinex and get dismissed by Taurus...and then looking at Chaos War, Fear Itself, and how he's been handled under Fraction (and even Bendis to a degree), it's really hard to argue how he's been nerfed.
Chaos War was how I think he should always be portrayed IMO. But Marvel is notorious for amping characters while they're in space, and then depowering them on earth (with SS and Thor being the classic examples). and yeah, DC does it too btw.
But there's NO WAY he should be one-shotted by lightning. And I know there's some powerhouses on the U-foes, and they have taken out the Hulk, but they shouldn't be taking Thor out either.
Marvel needs to do a WWH-esque storyline about Thor (just as long as it's written a lot better).
Originally posted by Tony Stark
FTR Hal isn't a high herald...A hammerless THOR is basicly classic Hercules so if Herc is a high herald then so is H/L THOR
Even hammerless Thor is beyond Herc; Thor has demostrated the ability to control weather and use the God Blast sans Mjolnir...
Anyway, Thor defeats Orion under the conditions presented in the OP every single time...
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Chaos War was how I think he should always be portrayed IMO. But Marvel is notorious for amping characters while they're in space, and then depowering them on earth (with SS and Thor being the classic examples).But there's NO WAY he should be one-shotted by lightning. And I know there's some powerhouses on the U-foes, and they have taken out the Hulk, but they shouldn't be taking Thor out either.
Marvel needs to do a WWH-esque storyline about Thor (just as long as it's written a lot better).
Chaos War was garbage in terms of actual story, but feat wise, Thor looked pretty good. Considering Thor is supposed to lead a confrontation against the Phoenix Force, I don't really have any doubts that he'll look pretty decent in comparison. Generally, Thor looks as good as his fellow Avengers does until shit hits the fan and he "stops holding back". When that happens, he winds up hurting or outright killing people outside of his tier.
It happens, unfortunately, and sometimes Thor gets Worf Effected to make other people look good, but usually, he redeems himself.
They already did. It was called the Reigning. 😄
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Chaos War was how I think he should always be portrayed IMO. But Marvel is notorious for amping characters while they're in space, and then depowering them on earth (with SS and Thor being the classic examples). and yeah, DC does it too btw.But there's NO WAY he should be one-shotted by lightning. And I know there's some powerhouses on the U-foes, and they have taken out the Hulk, but they shouldn't be taking Thor out either.
Marvel needs to do a WWH-esque storyline about Thor (just as long as it's written a lot better).
When did the U-foes take out Hulk? Scans. If anything, they feared him (stated on panel).
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad3.jpg
Butthurt.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Chaos War was garbage in terms of actual story, but feat wise, Thor looked pretty good. Considering Thor is supposed to lead a confrontation against the Phoenix Force, I don't really have any doubts that he'll look pretty decent in comparison. Generally, Thor looks as good as his fellow Avengers does until shit hits the fan and he "stops holding back". When that happens, he winds up hurting or outright killing people outside of his tier.It happens, unfortunately, and sometimes Thor gets Worf Effected to make other people look good, but usually, he redeems himself.
They already did. It was called the Reigning. 😄
And yeah, I agree the Chaos storyline is pretty much as good as everything else Pak has been involved in.
Yeah, but they should do something like that with regular Thor.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And yeah, I agree the Chaos storyline is pretty much as good as everything else Pak has been involved in.Yeah, but they should do something like that with regular Thor.
Which is funny because I really liked Planet Hulk. But the Hulk stuff since then...eh.
Considering Fraction is almost always writing a raging pissed off Thor, who knows?
Originally posted by carver9
When did the U-foes take out Hulk? Scans. If anything, they feared him (stated on panel).http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad3.jpgButthurt.
You're pretty ignorant about your favorite character, aren't you? I don't have scans handy, but it was in Hulk vol 2, and X-ray turned Hulk into Bruce Banner and then he got bit**-slapped unconscious. Or there was the time Vector burned all the flesh off the Hulk, although I think he healed after that, I can't remember.
Or what about the time Ironclad KO'ed the Hulk with a boulder?
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're pretty ignorant about your favorite character, aren't you? I don't have scans handy, but it was in Hulk vol 2, and X-ray turned Hulk into Bruce Banner and then he got bit**-slapped unconscious. Or there was the time Vector burned all the flesh off the Hulk, although I think he healed after that, I can't remember.Or what about the time Ironclad KO'ed the Hulk with a boulder?
Scans and during the time Vector shot the flesh off of him, Hulk still walked up to him and koed him with a single punch and then healed in a couple of panels.
Show me the scans of the others. Are you talking about this fight because Ironclad got worked?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad.jpg
This is the fight you are talking about..lol.
