Thor vs Orion

Originally posted by carver9
Because he has loses against Tutinax and Taurus. Two powerful beings that would probably beat Orion as well.

Meh, Taurus isn't that powerful. Bendis wrote that scene for literally no reason other than to legitimize the threat, he was so blatant about it.

Recap: Taurus, a being powerful enough to go toe to toe with Thor himself.
Taurus' dialogue: I just took down Thor!
Bendis Interview: The Zodiac are going to be written as high end villains.

Captain America or someone will knock him out by the end of the arc.

Tutinax should get one shotted by Orion based on 90% of his history, he was written a lot more powerful than most of his showings in that arc. Of course, Thor could have just been written down. Shit happens.

That being said, Orion has been treated similarly and used in plots this way in the past, more than once from what I remember, so have a lot of characters. No reason to start treating Thor different.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And he also beat an amped Thing and Hulk. People don't realize this crap varies from writer to writer. It's not like Thor has suddenly become less formidable.

He isn't less formidable, people are just picking and choosing. Going by showings, Thor wins this. He also bust Galactus head open and defeated a being that was empowered by a thousand gods and recently whipped out half of a dimension.

Originally posted by carver9 Because he has loses against Tutinax and Taurus. Two powerful beings that would probably beat Orion as well.

scans?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, Taurus isn't that powerful. Bendis wrote that scene for literally no reason other than to legitimize the threat, he was so blatant about it.

Recap: Taurus, a being powerful enough to go toe to toe with Thor himself.
Taurus' dialogue: I just took down Thor!
Bendis Interview: The Zodiac are going to be written as high end villains.

Captain America or someone will knock him out by the end of the arc.

Tutinax should get one shotted by Orion based on 90% of his history, he was written a lot more powerful than most of his showings in that arc. Of course, Thor could have just been written down. Shit happens.

Taurus appears to have some type of amp. He has gain super speed and strength. I know Ironman is no Thor but Taurus one punching him like he did during the end koing him like that is impressive and it was in a blitz fashion.

Tutinax, I'm undecided on him but he seems pretty impressive as well. People are just treating these characters differently in the current era.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
scans?

Scans of what?

Is this what you are asking for Prepman?

If this is what you are basing your judgment off of, its not a good idea.

http://m1180.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/galanpics/dw_jla3.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=dw_jla3.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla4.jpg

Doomsday didnt even use his fist against him and took him out.

Hurts the Demorgorge and breaks his heart (Intended to be written as an Eternity level entity so even minor damage is uber shit):

Then he owns and kills an amped Ulik:

Had nowhere else to post these, this is as good as of a thread as any.

Considering Thor's been weakened/damage for basically all of his fights under Fraction, his going to have to be nerfed to continue in a regular story without killing everything in his way. Let's pray Surfer never fights Thor under his pen again, he'll probably end up being bumped down to Mid Herald after the ass reaming he'd get.

Originally posted by carver9
Is this what you are asking for Prepman?

I'd like to note, that Thor was only down for only a few moments:

That being said, Thor really did get jobbed in this scene, at least it took a few hits to finally knock out Iron Man.

I think Ironman got the worst of it tbh. That was literally a "one punch knockout"...something you rarely see happen in the pages of comics.

Originally posted by carver9
If this is what you are basing your judgment off of, its not a good idea.

http://m1180.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/galanpics/dw_jla3.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=dw_jla3.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dw_jla4.jpg

Doomsday didnt even use his fist against him and took him out.

New Gods are usually all over the place though.. They can suffer from some of the worst writing ever.

Metron got taken out by Matrix Supergirl, for gods sake. O_o

And Doomsday was also generally played up against anyone that's not Superman (Just like Superman himself could get played up, at the expense of other characters..)

thanks for the scan. ill check them out when i get home. just like the fate/strange battle, i see orion/thor pretty even. in awesome fight thats for sure.

Originally posted by cdtm
New Gods are usually all over the place though.. They can suffer from some of the worst writing ever.

Metron got taken out by Matrix Supergirl, for gods sake. O_o

And Doomsday was also generally played up against anyone that's not Superman (Just like Superman himself could get played up, at the expense of other characters..)

Was it Orion who got taken down by a block of Iron or whatever? I remember that shit being straight up stupid. I also remember Firestorm transmuting rock into aluminum or something, trapping him under it's weight. Even Orion has his share of low showings.

New Gods definitely fluctuate, plenty of characters do, but with the Final Crisis reveal, it gets even more complicated.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it Orion who got taken down by a block of Iron or whatever? I remember that shit being straight up stupid. I also remember Firestorm transmuting rock into aluminum or something, trapping him under it's weight. Even Orion has his share of low showings.

New Gods definitely fluctuate, plenty of characters do, but with the Final Crisis reveal, it gets even more complicated.

Yeah, Firestorm wrapped Orion in a block of titanium and he was unable to get out until firestorm let him loose.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Was it Orion who got taken down by a block of Iron or whatever? I remember that shit being straight up stupid. I also remember Firestorm transmuting rock into aluminum or something, trapping him under it's weight. Even Orion has his share of low showings. New Gods definitely fluctuate, plenty of characters do, but with the Final Crisis reveal, it gets even more complicated.

firestorm trapped him in some type of metal, but orion eventually broke free. in simonsons run however, the same thing happened and orion easily got out of it. with the astro force.

Orion isn't as strong as people make him out to be.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs123.jpg

But this is the issue it happened it. Encased him in titanium.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs124.jpg

Yea, that's some weak shit for an elite strong men, especially since he was outright failing, and not to some unquantifiable shit but titanium/lead. Still, every character has bad showings, Orion is still beastly.

Originally posted by carver9
Orion isn't as strong as people make him out to be.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs123.jpg

But this is the issue it happened it. Encased him in titanium.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/fs124.jpg

Lol Carver do You even read your own scans?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, that's some weak shit for an elite strong men, especially since he was outright failing, and not to some unquantifiable shit but titanium/lead. Still, every character has bad showings, Orion is still beastly.

We really don't have any lifting fts for Orion and the one we do have, Wonderman has easily replicated/surpassed. If he's anywhere near Thor league, he should have held that block up.