The Uchiha vs the Hokage's

Originally posted by socool8520
I believe the panel showed him reacting once the lightning had been redirected. Regardless, from what we have seen of Kirin, it takes a dragon form before Sasuke redirects it, which should give someone like Minato enough time to port or throw a seal up, since it seems to take no time at all for him to slap seals on anything. He did it Bee and Tobi without either of them noticing. Hell, it's plausible that Hash could throw up an earth shield or something. They are the only to I see stopping it though. hiruzen is old, Tsunade is slow, and IDK about Tobirama.

Eh, immediately after that Kirin appears in the sky (which I'm not sure if it did actually appear as Sasuke said he'd only be guiding it), Sasuke fires the technique off. I don't think that is enough time for Minato to set up his barrier.
He has to use handseals in order to set it up.
Kirin destroyed a hill. He'd have to throw up an Earth Shield much larger than the Mountain Sandwich Kitsuchi used to try and crush the Gedo Mazou.

Originally posted by cdtm
Tsunade could dig under ground, maybe, or punch up a massive pile of rubble as a shield....

Come to think of it, even rookie Naruto was digging tunnels underground on the fly, quicker than even Neji could see him.

Kirin completely destroyed a hill. They'd have to dig quite some distance in order to escape.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Eh, immediately after that Kirin appears in the sky (which I'm not sure if it did actually appear as Sasuke said he'd only be guiding it), Sasuke fires the technique off. I don't think that is enough time for Minato to set up his barrier.
He has to use handseals in order to set it up.
Kirin destroyed a hill. He'd have to throw up an Earth Shield much larger than the Mountain Sandwich Kitsuchi used to try and crush the Gedo Mazou.

Minato could create the hand seals, which doesn't seem to be but two (from what we see in the kurama feat) fatser than it would take for the dragon to form and be directed.

Also, a much, much weaker yamato created a waterfall relatively quickly. hashirama doing it faster isn't out of the question.

Originally posted by socool8520
Minato could create the hand seals, which doesn't seem to be but two (from what we see in the kurama feat) fatser than it would take for the dragon to form and be directed.

Also, a much, much weaker yamato created a waterfall relatively quickly. hashirama doing it faster isn't out of the question.

Not really. That's assuming a) he has his attention on the clouds and can deduce what is coming in time; and b) he's fast enough to weave the handseals before Kirin strikes him, which he isn't. Heck, Mifune is fast enough to stop someone from weaving handsigns for a ninjutsu. Kirin is much faster.

Doing it faster isn't out of the question at all. Doing it fast enough to prevent himself from being vaped is the question, and there's nothing in the manga to suggest he can. Not that a waterfall would do anything against Kirin.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not really. That's assuming a) he has his attention on the clouds and can deduce what is coming in time; and b) he's fast enough to weave the handseals before Kirin strikes him, which he isn't. Heck, Mifune is fast enough to stop someone from weaving handsigns for a ninjutsu. Kirin is much faster.

Doing it faster isn't out of the question at all. Doing it fast enough to prevent himself from being vaped is the question, and there's nothing in the manga to suggest he can. Not that a waterfall would do anything against Kirin.

You're not going to notice a giant dragon in the form of lightning? Not to mention quick deduction is part of his character. I'm sure he could figure it out as soon as he sees Sasuke use other lightning based attacks. Mifune stopping Salamander from using seals is a far cry from stopping someone like Minato from using hand seals. Again, the lightning strike is fast, the prep for it isn't.

Originally posted by socool8520
You're not going to notice a giant dragon in the form of lightning? Not to mention quick deduction is part of his character. I'm sure he could figure it out as soon as he sees Sasuke use other lightning based attacks. Mifune stopping Salamander from using seals is a far cry from stopping someone like Minato from using hand seals. Again, the lightning strike is fast, the prep for it isn't.

Not if your attention is focused on fighting someone as powerful as Madara or Itachi, and that's assuming the Kirin actually appears in the sky.
It is, but after he's seen the attack.
Why? Minato's hand-seal speed isn't shown to be leagues faster than Hanzo's. In addition, Itachi is someone who probably has the fastest hand-seal speed in the manga, and guess what, he couldn't weave any hand-seals.

The Lightning Strike is not just fast, it is leagues faster than Minato. The prep for it is slow, but once the storm is there, it takes a shorter time for Sasuke to direct it at Minato's skull than it takes for Minato to set up his barrier.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, Sasuke uses Kirin to one-shot everyone on Team Hokage except for Hashirama. While Hashirama is busy trying to look half as cool as Sasuke, Itachi stabs Hashirama with the Totsuka blade, and Madara proceeds to take a quick shit on him. gg Team Hokage.

What kinda counter is this sasuke gets killed early what part of that don't you get you think the hokage will stand there while he is preparing kirin and madara will have his hands full as well as itachi. The hokage will win. You fully ignored the FACT that current madara himself said that hashi can might be able to stop him and the fact that hashi won the battle even with the kyuubi there shows how much stronger he was then madara and why even with these new power ups they are still close in power.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not if your attention is focused on fighting someone as powerful as Madara or Itachi, and that's assuming the Kirin actually appears in the sky.
It is, but after he's seen the attack.
Why? Minato's hand-seal speed isn't shown to be leagues faster than Hanzo's. In addition, Itachi is someone who probably has the fastest hand-seal speed in the manga, and guess what, he couldn't weave any hand-seals.

The Lightning Strike is not just fast, it is leagues faster than Minato. The prep for it is slow, but once the storm is there, it takes a shorter time for Sasuke to direct it at Minato's skull than it takes for Minato to set up his barrier.

We don't know enough about Kirin to assume it form anywhere else but the sky. Why wouldn't it?

Minato's reflexes and speed were known to be the fastest in the manga, so probably leagues above Hanzo, who wasn't known for his speed iirc. Minato's 1, and I repeat 1 sign from what we saw on panel ( could be more and he was just doing it super fast) were fast enough to counter a tailed beast ball, an attack that is really fast as commented on by Kakashi and Gai. It's not like he has to do the Zabuza water dragon hand seals.

What is this about Itachi not weaving hand seals? Why would he need to? There are no seals required for susano'o. What else is he gonna use? This point is irrelevant.

I think we are also trying to bring real world speeds and stuff into this which is quite foolish. If this were actual real world lightning, then even Itachi shouldn't have been able to react to it since he had no defense when the lightning dragon was formed. Either it's not as fast as you think, or naruto characters are fast enough to react to lightning strikes. Take your pick.

According to Naruto physics, Itachi should be FTL. Therefore Minato should also be FTL 😛

But in all seriousness we don't know how Hashi beat Madara but it's implied he beat the FAPS. Though if those two decide to have a clash of the titans again then the other uchiha/kage will probably get caught in the crossfire.

Minato could possibly port away from Kirin but he's not throwing up the seal in time unless he stops it before it begins which is going to be hard iwth Itachi running around. Kirin is like a faster but less powerful bijudama but I think that Naruto lightning is slower than ours.

Originally posted by socool8520
I think we are also trying to bring real world speeds and stuff into this which is quite foolish. If this were actual real world lightning, then even Itachi shouldn't have been able to react to it since he had no defense when the lightning dragon was formed. Either it's not as fast as you think, or naruto characters are fast enough to react to lightning strikes. Take your pick.

We are given a speed for the attack so no, Itachi reacted to something moving at lightning speed. This is a legit feat for him/his Susano'o. And just because he can do it doesn't mean anybody can.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-6/naruto/chapter-391.html

^ If Itachi can do it, then somebody who is stated to be faster can do it as well. Meaning Minato, Naruto, and possibly A should be able to react to kirin as well. Weaving one hand sign for Minato should be well within his capability.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ If Itachi can do it, then somebody who is stated to be faster can do it as well. Meaning Minato, Naruto, and possibly A should be able to react to kirin as well. Weaving one hand sign for Minato should be well within his capability.

Itachi didn't do it because of his speed. All Itachi did to stop Kirin was open his other eye to activate Susano'o. He didn't dodge it, he didn't use any hand seals, he just opened his other eye(cause Susano'o needs both). That doesn't stop it from being the best reaction feat.

And quite frankly Itachi has better hand sign speed feats than any of the three you listed(really not getting how A would redirect it). Look

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-55464-6/naruto/chapter-502.html

Minato does two hand signs, and no they don't look particularly fast compared to Itachi's showing here.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-8/naruto/chapter-142.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-9/naruto/chapter-142.html

Itachi is so fast that Kakashi can barely see them getting weaved at all.

Such an Itachitard biscuits

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Itachi didn't do it because of his speed. All Itachi did to stop Kirin was open his other eye to activate Susano'o. He didn't dodge it, he didn't use any hand seals, he just opened his other eye(cause Susano'o needs both). That doesn't stop it from being the best reaction feat.

And quite frankly Itachi has better hand sign speed feats than any of the three you listed(really not getting how A would redirect it). Look

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-55464-6/naruto/chapter-502.html

Minato does two hand signs, and no they don't look particularly fast compared to Itachi's showing here.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-8/naruto/chapter-142.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-9/naruto/chapter-142.html

Itachi is so fast that Kakashi can barely see them getting weaved at all.

We are talking about a guy who can not only react, but actually move his whole body fast enough to do this

http://wootmanga.com/naruto/501/3/

And this is not even porting. That's reflexes and footspeed. But he can't throw up 2 hand signs (looks like 1 and then he opens his hands out) fast enough to counter sasuke forming a lightning dragon and then directng it? Come on now.

Did Orochimaru imply that Itachi would've been able to take out Hiruzen?

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-145-5/naruto/chapter-140.html

in conjunction with himself, yeah, i think that's what he meant.

Originally posted by marwash22
in conjunction with himself, yeah, i think that's what he meant.

Originally posted by Astner
Didn't Madara just defeat five kage? Yeah, there has to be a plot hole somewhere.

Yeah, but he's amped something ridiculous and can't die so that helps. Also, besides oonoki and Gaara, with Tsu's aid, the kages looked weak as hell. The leaf village Hokages are much stronger than that. Hell, I think the previous kages they have had to fight against in the war would have done better than the current kages

this generation of Kages are probably the weakest we have seen. Though, it would have taken away from Hashirama's legacy if these were able to defeat Madara when he apparently couldn't.

Not necessarily. Hash actually defeated Madara, he just didn't kill him. Also, I don't think 5 S class kages doing the job it only too Has to do previously would make Hashirama look bad.

good point, i guess.