Originally posted by psycho gundam
meh. he presumably died fighting the gin/kin bros whom (also presumably) can go 6 tails, that's 12 between the two.
He was nearly killed by the two despite having the Raikage and probably other ninjas as backup, but he died facing the Kinkaku force. We aren't told if the Kinkaku force included the Gin-Kin bros. Doubt it did though.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
No how does madara not know about hashi's tailed beast control when that was what made him considered the strongest in the world when madara was still relevant?
He obviously fought them both for a while and the fact that he did think he needed the nine tails help makes your arguments pointless as it shows how much stronger hashirama was. He still thinks hashi can take him ass tobirama who has been said to have good techniques and they can take him.You obviously need to re read as I said after minato beats sasuke to a pulp he then seals him and and they proceed to finish of itachi and seal him. Then madara gets stomped.
Because hashi's tailed beast control was not what made him considered the strongest in the world when madara was still relevant, it was mokuton.
He obviously fought them both for a little while but the fact that he consistently drew with hashirama when not using the nine-tails makes your arguments pointless as it shows how equal the two were. He still thinks hashi can take him ass he has a boner for him tobirama who has been said to have good techniques is featless and they cannot take him.
You obviously need to re read as I said after madara kills and revives sasuke for the lulz, madara uses susano'o and steps on minato, crushing him like a little bug, itachi rapestomps tsunade, sasuke will one-shot hiruzen, and then hashirama gets stomped.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He was nearly killed by the two despite having the Raikage and probably other ninjas as backup, but he died facing the Kinkaku force. We aren't told if the Kinkaku force included the Gin-Kin bros. Doubt it did though.Because hashi's tailed beast control was not what made him considered the strongest in the world when madara was still relevant, it was mokuton.
He obviously fought them both for a little while but the fact that he consistently drew with hashirama when not using the nine-tails makes your arguments pointless as it shows how equal the two were. He still thinks hashi can take him ass he has a boner for him tobirama who has been said to have good techniques is featless and they cannot take him.
You obviously need to re read as I said after madara kills and revives sasuke for the lulz, madara uses susano'o and steps on minato, crushing him like a little bug, itachi rapestomps tsunade, sasuke will one-shot hiruzen, and then hashirama gets stomped.
One of the things that made mokuton so good was the tailed beast control.
He is around equal with hashi yet he brought the nine tails ot help him? He clearly did not have enough faith in his abilities and realized how superior hashi is.
Wow he is gonna kill his own and revive them for what the lulz that is stupid and does not add anything to the fight. Minato rapes sasuke. Hiruzen and tsunade stall itachi long enough for that to happen. Then hiruzen sacrifices a clone to seal sasuke and they tag team rape itachi and seal him. Or they could kill both of them and have tobirama revive one of them as edo tensei using the others body. Then they murder rape madara together.
He is around equal with hashi yet he brought the nine tails ot help him? He clearly did not have enough faith in his abilities and realized how superior hashi is.
If you're equal with someone, bringing something to gain an actual advantage is sensible.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We aren't really shown him using signs, but he is fast with hand-seals, so that's a possibility too I guess.
Iirc Kakashi comments on him using seals really fast at one point, but like you say it's not shown.
Also, whereas both Tobirama & Mei, apparently, used one hand-seal for the jutsu, Mei did use pre-existing water.
She did? Where was there water in the Kage/Madara fight?
It was something of a desert until Hashirama made the wood.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
One of the things that made mokuton so good was the tailed beast control.He is around equal with hashi yet he brought the nine tails ot help him? He clearly did not have enough faith in his abilities and realized how superior hashi is.
Wow he is gonna kill his own and revive them for what the lulz that is stupid and does not add anything to the fight. Minato rapes sasuke. Hiruzen and tsunade stall itachi long enough for that to happen. Then hiruzen sacrifices a clone to seal sasuke and they tag team rape itachi and seal him. Or they could kill both of them and have tobirama revive one of them as edo tensei using the others body. Then they murder rape madara together.
The thing that made mokuton much better than its bijuu control was its uberness as shown by how one mokuton attack nearly took out 5 kage.
He is around equal with hashi yet he brought the nine tails ot help him? He clearly had enough faith in his abilities and realized how equal to hashi he is so he realized he needed to use something to be more powerful than hashi.
Wow he is gonna kill his own and revive them for what the lulz that is what he would do and shows that he could win this fight on his own. Minato gets raped by madara. Then hiruzen gets wtfstomped by sasuke and itachi destroys tsunade and tobirama in one shot. Then madara shows sasuke how to murder rape hashi while itachi writes naruto chapters while smoking a cigar and sipping pina coladas on his portable hammock.
Originally posted by Q99
Iirc Kakashi comments on him using seals really fast at one point, but like you say it's not shown.She did? Where was there water in the Kage/Madara fight?
Yeah, he said they were a distraction. But given Itachi's level of talent, I wouldn't be surprised if he could one-handseal it.
I think she created Water with her first tech, and then used that water for her one-handseal water dragon.
EDIT: Never mind, she created the Water dragon without using pre-existing water, both times.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The thing that made mokuton much better than its bijuu control was its uberness as shown by how one mokuton attack nearly took out 5 kage.He is around equal with hashi yet he brought the nine tails ot help him? He clearly had enough faith in his abilities and realized how equal to hashi he is so he realized he needed to use something to be more powerful than hashi.
Wow he is gonna kill his own and revive them for what the lulz that is what he would do and shows that he could win this fight on his own. Minato gets raped by madara. Then hiruzen gets wtfstomped by sasuke and itachi destroys tsunade and tobirama in one shot. Then madara shows sasuke how to murder rape hashi while itachi writes naruto chapters while smoking a cigar and sipping pina coladas on his portable hammock.
Yeah, he said they were a distraction. But given Itachi's level of talent, I wouldn't be surprised if he could one-handseal it.
I think she created Water with her first tech, and then used that water for her one-handseal water dragon.
EDIT: Never mind, she created the Water dragon without using pre-existing water, both times.
Im pretty sure it was famous for it's bijuu control since bijuu were so prized.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-302-9/naruto/chapter-297.html
Hashi still had to fight both for a while and still dispatched the nine tails quickly then proceeded to whoop madara out of existence. Madara is a prideful man and yet he did not want to see in a fight to death if HE was truly stronger than hashirama? Clearly he did not have as much faith as you think. He has said hashi is the only who can stop him and he said that as edo him. Though it could be a translation error that would mean hashirama might have been strong enough to compete against current madara. Add hiruzen to the mix and madara is in trouble. Minato rapes sasuke then sasuke gets sealed. Tobirama and tsunade tag team itachi and he gets sealed. Then if madara is still standing he seals them.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Im pretty sure it was famous for it's bijuu control since bijuu were so prized.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-302-9/naruto/chapter-297.htmlHashi still had to fight both for a while and still dispatched the nine tails quickly then proceeded to whoop madara out of existence. Madara is a prideful man and yet he did not want to see in a fight to death if HE was truly stronger than hashirama? Clearly he did not have as much faith as you think. He has said hashi is the only who can stop him and he said that as edo him. Though it could be a translation error that would mean hashirama might have been strong enough to compete against current madara. Add hiruzen to the mix and madara is in trouble. Minato rapes sasuke then sasuke gets sealed. Tobirama and tsunade tag team itachi and he gets sealed. Then if madara is still standing he seals them.
A necklace + his chakra let him control Bijuu, but Mokuton granted him bijuu-level power that rivaled Perfect Susano'o, and the people who heard about this level of power thought he was a legend like the Sage.
Hashi had to fight both for a while and stole the nine-tails quickly and obviously used nine-tails against madara, then thought he whooped madara out of existence, but madara still escaped and got some of hashi's powers. Madara is a prideful man and knew he was too evenly matched with Hashirama to beat him in a fight to the death, so he brought nine-tails. Clearly he had more faith than you think.
He has said hashi is the only one who could stop him, but he has hashi's mokuton now, so he can counter hashi easily, use his own power which equals hashi's, and use the rinnegan which is the most powerful weapon in naruto-verse. He just likes wanking hashi.
Add hiruzen to the mix and madara still shit-stomps the team. Minato gets crushed by Susano'o, and then sasuke *****-slaps hiruzen. Tobirama and tsunade get one-shoted by itachi with totsuka and they get sealed. Then if hashi is still standing, madara takes a shit on him and itachi seals him while telling sasuke to make him a samich.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A necklace + his chakra let him control Bijuu, but Mokuton granted him bijuu-level power that rivaled Perfect Susano'o, and the people who heard about this level of power thought he was a legend like the Sage.Hashi had to fight both for a while and stole the nine-tails quickly and obviously used nine-tails against madara, then thought he whooped madara out of existence, but madara still escaped and got some of hashi's powers. Madara is a prideful man and knew he was too evenly matched with Hashirama to beat him in a fight to the death, so he brought nine-tails. Clearly he had more faith than you think.
He has said hashi is the only one who could stop him, but he has hashi's mokuton now, so he can counter hashi easily, use his own power which equals hashi's, and use the rinnegan which is the most powerful weapon in naruto-verse. He just likes wanking hashi.
Add hiruzen to the mix and madara still shit-stomps the team. Minato gets crushed by Susano'o, and then sasuke *****-slaps hiruzen. Tobirama and tsunade get one-shoted by itachi with totsuka and they get sealed. Then if hashi is still standing, madara takes a shit on him and itachi seals him while telling sasuke to make him a samich.
I do not see him putting the necklace on the full nine tails he can probably do it without the necklace just like how yamato suppressed kisames chakra and how he thought he could still control him without it.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/2
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/497/15
And we do not know what other powers he had maybe he used a whole other jutsu against perfect susanoo in combination with wood.
Basically they are not even as madara clearly brought nine tails knowing he would lose. So hashi>madara but the fact that he thought he had to rely on the strongest tailed beats to stand a chance says volumes about hashi. If he thinks that hashi still has a chance then that says hashi is that strong and can put up a hell of a fight. He might be able to wrestle control of the wood they are controlloing and make it only his weapon. Add hiruzen who can use a shadow clone to seal the distracted madara and they beat him. Minato solos sasuke and tsunade and tobirama rape itachi.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Hashirama has the biggest jutsu in the series.So yeah, the Hokage win since apparently Tobirama is way stronger than initially thought.
Tobirama still hasn't really done anything yet. He shook a wall with his chakra. That's about it. I want to see him actually battle someone before I pass judgement.
Originally posted by socool8520
Tobirama still hasn't really done anything yet. He shook a wall with his chakra. That's about it. I want to see him actually battle someone before I pass judgement.
He also killed Izuna with his sword... Izuna who we *also* don't know how strong he is.
Heck, he did more as an edo zombie.