Originally posted by Cogito I've never really read Animal Man, so please fill me in. Regardless, TOAA and the Presence both fulfill the same role. They both act as conduits through which the Writers and Artists create stories. Neither is physically the writer/artist.. DC created a mythological story vaguely resembling the Judeo-Christian God to accompany and explain their actions through him. Marvel...didn't really create a story around theirs, but that's ok. Both still fulfill the exact same role for two different companies.
animal man speaks to morrison aka the primal monitor.
Originally posted by JynocidusThe LT is stripped of his values if the other characters magically become powerless. The LT becomes Gary the plumber GEB accidentally kills Gary with a clipped off hang nail team 1 stomps
What Galan posted, has sort of been done in Marvel as well. The FF met the artist or writer. That same...entity is the only thing that can stop LT.Like I posted earlier in this thread, Presence (given the benefit of the doubt) may be a "source" entity, that same source does not power anything outside of DC. The necessity, equity, and vengeance within the presence does not play a factor in a relatively neutral environment where both characters are able to exist. This neutral environment has its own creation theory, which had no involvement from the Presence. Although it had no involvement from LT either, LT is Necessity, Equity, and Vengeance, not a false omnipotent. So his values outweigh team 1 every single time.
LT stomps
Originally posted by Cogito
I've never really read Animal Man, so please fill me in.Regardless, TOAA and the Presence both fulfill the same role. They both act as conduits through which the Writers and Artists create stories. Neither is physically the writer/artist.. DC created a mythological story vaguely resembling the Judeo-Christian God to accompany and explain their actions through him. Marvel...didn't really create a story around theirs, but that's ok. Both still fulfill the exact same role for two different companies.
Marvel didn't have to create anything around anything. The influential force (TOAA? The Writers?) influenced nothing (the content CK), and created the megaverse. Anything from there has been elaborated on through comics, you just have to be open minded enough to catch what they throw you.
Yes, TOAA and Presence play the same role. You don't see TOAA in comics though, do you? TOAA isn't a biblical entity in Marvel, TOAA is a writer because that's exactly what that influential force is. Marvel knows that God did not create its continuity, and Marvel's creation "LT" knows that another creation "the presence" didn't create it, or the neutral ground that is this vs thread.
LT stomps.
Originally posted by JynocidusYou are actually close minded you interpret the Marvel hierarchy/roles in a completely insane way. The LT is just as much of a internal force in Marvel as The Light or Spectre are in DC his role in his company doesn't give him extra privileged or powers in a neutral setting 😬
Anything from there has been elaborated on through comics, you just have to be open minded enough to catch what they throw you.
so because one person continues to defend against this nonsense, the thread is messed up. that is such a dramatic statement, i'd expect no less from a crybaby.
i feel like...i'm being labeled a heretic during the scientific revolution here. the blind DC fans are the pagans.
The Presence is not omnipotent. Whatever you wish to label him as inside of DC, since everybody was created by him or w/e, stays inside of DC. As soon he steps foot outside of DC, he is stepping into a place that he did not create. Why don't any of you see that? I'm not necessarily saying Presence doesn't have power outside of DC, but it does not have as much of a difference in power over LT as you think it does. Presence can only decide what is and isn't necessary inside of DC, because in this battle it would have to overcome LT in order to decide what is necessary outside of it. It can't, because it is not equal in power to the LT therefore any response to LT's judgement does not matter. LT stomps.
again--- stepping out of DC, The Presence is no longer....i'll say, "of the highest significance." Vs the LT where upon entry to the battle, nothing changes with him. He's still Necessity, Equity, and Vengeance vs someone who was only of the highest significance inside of their respective existence. It's no contest, LT stomps. Presence doesn't get any mercy boosts -- it's a simple fact that he didn't create all.
LT's powers work against anyone he goes against. Those plot devices that I listed as "higher" than LT but not necessarily outside of his scope of power ( speed force or motion in general, the emotional spectrum, the source which you all argue is the presence ) are not absolute. They can change according to necessities from ultimately the writer, to the characters its the way things turn out in their lives.
i haven't even read everything with LT in it, but I understand better than a lot of people I see. I hope LT never claimed that he created all, that would really support my argument.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
He's "God" of DC. In order to be the omnipotent, he would have had to create everything. It did not create anything outside of DC, nor is it responsible for the neutral environment in which they meet.
by that logic, no fictional being can be omnipotent. He's still modelled after the Jewish/Christian god, though.
So why can LT beat him? How?
Originally posted by -Pr-
by that logic, no fictional being can be omnipotent. He's still modelled after the Jewish/Christian god, though.So why can LT beat him? How?
exactly, and I do believe that is a basis that Marvel steers away from. They don't want people to feel any certain way about the most high being. so to confirm, I am to the understanding that there is no truly omnipotent being in fiction.
LT beats Presence because as soon as Presence enters this vs thread, they are no longer in DC. --That in itself means that he is not the most powerful entity to decide what is necessary and what isn't (which is part of LT's judgement)
Presence is facing someone who, by creation, IS necessity, equity, and vengeance. There are necessities that are involved behind a victory, but with LT there as those factors the Presence will never be able to pull it off. So if Presence poses any threat to the LT, Presence will be put in its place every single time.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
exactly, and I do believe that is a basis that Marvel steers away from. They don't want people to feel any certain way about the most high being. so to confirm, I am to the understanding that there is no truly omnipotent being in fiction.LT beats Presence because as soon as Presence enters this vs thread, they are no longer in DC. --That in itself means that he is not the most powerful entity to decide what is necessary and what isn't (which is part of LT's judgement)
Presence is facing someone who, by creation, IS necessity, equity, and vengeance. There are necessities that are involved behind a victory, but with LT there as those factors the Presence will never be able to pull it off. So if Presence poses any threat to the LT, Presence will be put in its place every single time.
Why does LT have any more dominance over Presence than vice versa, if both are not in their respective universes?