Trading punches

Originally posted by carver9
😕 Why isn't it? We can't use other heros fighting Hulk because they were too scared. What other options do we have? The only thing we really have is him fighting someone that could survive one of his punches and that's Betty.

Savage Hulk and Doomsday are near the same strength whereas WBH was shrugging off punches from beings in that tier. His power level was pretty obvious imo.

Shared feats border on unquantifiable, and as such, border on unusable in vs. threads. Imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, you're missing the point.

Using Hulk's battle with Betty is fine. Using feats that were produced by both Hulk AND Betty (ie. herald-melting), and trying to credit them solely to Hulk is another matter entirely.

Understood. As for the fight, stalemate since I don't know what type of power it takes to drop Doomsday.

I can deal with that. 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can't be ****ing serious.

Lol...I never said Superman or Prime or Darkseid or Doomsday were weak...what I stated was "they can't repeat what Hulk and Betty did" and they can't. Kind of like Superman vibrating to save the OMNIverse/universe. Hulk is fast but he doesn't have the speed to repeat this process.

Not lowballing but pointing out my opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying that Hulk couldn't beat the beings present (DD could as well, imo.) I'm just saying that if he would not have collided with the equal power of Betty, there's no way to know if the heraldz would have still been 'melted' as a collateral side effect of just his punches.

Therefore, it's a pointless feat to use in this thread. Shared feats=/=personal feats.

ITs not a pointless feat to use. Because the issue isnt whether the Hulk could have still melted the heraldz in the exact same way on his own. The issue is that if we take the feat in the way it was done (shared between two equally strong parties) certain determinations about their individual strength levels can be made. Even producing half of the physical force that was involved in that feat tells us loads about there strength levels. And hence simply discarding it is silly.

Originally posted by Naija boy
ITs not a pointless feat to use. Because the issue isnt whether the Hulk could have still melted the heraldz in the exact same way on his own. The issue is that if we take the feat in the way it was done (shared between two equally strong parties) certain determinations about their individual strength levels can be made. Even producing half of the physical force that was invovled in that feat tells us loads about there strength levels. And hence simply discarding it is silly.

Originally posted by Galan007
You misunderstand. I never once implied that Hulk wasn't strong on his own--just that he wasn't 'herald melting' strong on his own.

OK we dont know whether could have done the totality of the feat himself BUT as I said the strength implications of even performing at least half of that feat are staggering. Enough can be taken from that feat to come to a conclusion about WBH strength levels in comparison to H/P doomsday for instance.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I never said Superman or Prime or Darkseid or Doomsday were weak...what I stated was "they can't repeat what Hulk and Betty did" and they can't. Kind of like Superman vibrating to save the OMNIverse/universe. Hulk is fast but he doesn't have the speed to repeat this process.

Not lowballing but pointing out my opinion.

Okay, we can pretend we're in la-la land and that you're telling the truth.

Originally posted by Naija boy
OK we dont know whether could have done the totality of the feat himself BUT as I said the strength implications of even performing at least half of that feat are staggering.

We're on the same page. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
You must not have read the comic, then:

81 billion tons of dark energy/mass, moving 7,614,000km/hr. Supes flies into it moving just short of c and is only momentarily KO'd, but otherwise none the worse for wear (he wasn't even scratched.)

Hugely impressive.

No shit. The scans state as much.

The impressive part is the sheer durability required to come away from that event literally unscathed (which Superman did.)

Originally posted by Galan007
I can agree with that... And I'm pretty sure you can agree that feats preformed as a result of Hulk AND Betty colliding/fighting (melting heralds, etc.) are not necessarily indicative of what Hulk can do by himself. Two Hulks>one, as they say.

We're on the same page. 👆

^ Their cumulative energies being released simultaneously still caused damage of that magnitude. The feats displayed cannot be attributed solely to Hulk or Betty.

oh for sure, but that's another reason why it makes the superman vs shadowmoon thing look cute: if superman were to slam against another equal and opposite superman (the shadowmoon took the damage and the shock was dispersed), they'd most likely get a lengthy hospital visit. hulk and betty on the other hand no-sold the initial impact (a force obviously far greater than a direct planet killing blow) and kept fighting without really missing a beat

yes superman did it by himself, but he REALLY tried to make it happen whereas hulk clashing with betty did more damage, and we know that any force is met with an equal and opposite reaction, which was ignored by them but the impact destroyed far more than a moon without the need of 99% lightspeed magnifying their ability to cause direct impact damage.

They're different scenarios all together, though.

The moon contained BILLIONS of tons of dark energy/mass, and was moving MILLIONS of km/hr. Superman flew head-on into it while flying just short of c and disintegrated it. Despite the massive forces that would have been generated during that collision, Superman sustained no lasting damage whatsoever. It is a hugely impressive durability feat.

Regardless, I never compared that feat to Hulk/Betty's. Another poster [incorrectly] recalled that instance, so I posted the scans to confirm a few things that poster left out. Dats all. 🙂

Superman is a *****.

Superman jobbed to HP Doomsday, as we saw later that he didn't even have to let the creature touch him to beat him down. This is not about Superman in comparison to Doomsday, but about Doomsday being unable to continue trading blows with a guy that would exceed his strength by multiples in just a couple of minutes if it even takes that much time. The Hulk has unlimited strength, despite people trying to lie and say that he doesn't. If someone can prove that the Hulk has ever reached his limit, step right up, but it has never been proven that he has.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman jobbed to HP Doomsday, as we saw later that he didn't even have to let the creature touch him to beat him down. This is not about Superman in comparison to Doomsday, but about Doomsday being unable to continue trading blows with a guy that would exceed his strength by multiples in just a couple of minutes if it even takes that much time. The Hulk has unlimited strength, despite people trying to lie and say that he doesn't. If someone can prove that the Hulk has ever reached his limit, step right up, but it has never been proven that he has.

Superman never blitzed HP Doomsday successfully.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman never blitzed HP Doomsday successfully.

Superman never had to be effectively hit by HP Doomsday. He could have remained in a state of flux as HP DD attempted to hit him, and missed, and then launch attack after attack on him. We saw this when he faced Rex, and even though Rex was inferior (?) he was still capable of fighting HP in the same way.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman never had to be effectively hit by HP Doomsday. He could have remained in a state of flux as HP DD attempted to hit him, and missed, and then launch attack after attack on him. We saw this when he faced Rex, and even though Rex was inferior (?) he was still capable of fighting HP in the same way.

Rex was far inferior, being so inferior that he was a lot slower than HP DD too.

Applying one standard to both of them given the disparity in power doesn't really work.