Trading punches

Originally posted by carver9
You are missing the point. Can Superboy Prime punch Superman and kill every member of the Teen Titans as a side effect.? No, it ain't happening. This is what I am trying to get clear here. I understand you 200% but the power behind one punch from Hulk is pretty much above anything I have seen Prime do in a fist fight. Prime higher showers involves collateral damage, his punching power against opponents isn't that amazing.

And there's where your logic fails. Badly.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but Doomsday and Darkseid isn't running through Wendigo and Bi Beast in a fist fight either unless we focus on their lower showings. The two have consistently fought against Savage Hulk and done well...I would put Savage Hulk strength around Doomsday and Darkseid level.

facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007

Apparently not. Hulk alone did not 'melt teh heraldz'. Hulk+Betty did. 🙂

Lol...hilarious.

Originally posted by carver9
You can split the ft in half and it would still be more impressive imo. Prime has shown nothing to make me suggest that if he collided with another Prime, they would kill off some heralds with mere shockwaves. What punching fts of Prime are you basing this off of?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...hilarious.

Shared feat. Get over it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And there's where your logic fails. Badly.

facepalm

Lol...why are you doing this Pr? You know what I am saying is true.

Originally posted by Galan007
So you're assuming Hulk's punches alone could have still 'melted teh heraldz'? Considering it was only when he and Betty collided that this happened, I'm curious what you're basing that on?

It doesn't get any truer.

Shared feat. Get over it.

Why wouldn't it? Are you saying that if Prime and Ion would have collided with each other, they could have done the same thing? If so, what are you basing this off of?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...why are you doing this Pr? You know what I am saying is true.

but it's not. If Superman and Prime were trading punches, going all out, anyone without decent durability within about a mile would be killed by the impact. Just because DC doesn't want to kill half it's characters doesn't mean that they lack said power, especially knowing how hard both men can hit.

You whine about people trying to use collateral damage as a measuring stick, yet use it yourself to try to back some horrible ABC logic.

Saying Hulk knocked back "Heralds" doesn't mean nearly what you're trying to suggest it does.

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't it? Are you saying that if Prime and Ion would have collided with each other, they could have done the same thing?

What you are incessantly ignoring (to the point of trolling) is that without Betty's EQUAL power output, Hulk's feats would have been non-existent. Saying that Hulk alone could have still preformed those feats without any sort of evidence is just... Dumb.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stop deflecting. Your entire opinion that Hulk would beat Doomsday is based on the collateral damage caused when he was fighting Betty (ie. 'herald-melting'.)

What you are incessantly ignoring (to the point of trolling) is that without Betty's EQUAL power output, Hulk's feats would have been non-existent.

I never said that it wasn't a shared ft...what I am saying is "there is no proof that Hulk couldn't have done that without the aid of Betty". It was stated before this incident that Hulk could lay waste to the planet and Hulk referenced it as well before doing it. Betty was just there to aid in something that was already going to happen. Then, like I've said before, the ft is much more than just planetary, much more than that. So the answer to your question is yes, he can do it without the aid of Betty.

Now answer my question please.

Originally posted by Galan007
So you're assuming Hulk's punches alone could have still 'melted teh heraldz'? Considering it was only when he and Betty collided that this happened, I'm curious what you're basing that on?

It doesn't get any truer.

Shared feat. Get over it.

If Hulk hit them directly? yes he would kill them. IT being a shared feat doesnt take much away because at the levels we are talking about here even providing half the strength to do that to those beings inidcates that he could oneshot any of them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
but it's not. If Superman and Prime were trading punches, going all out, anyone without decent durability within about a mile would be killed by the impact. Just because DC doesn't want to kill half it's characters doesn't mean that they lack said power, especially knowing how hard both men can hit.

You whine about people trying to use collateral damage as a measuring stick, yet use it yourself to try to back some horrible ABC logic.

Saying Hulk knocked back "Heralds" doesn't mean nearly what you're trying to suggest it does.

I disagree with you but whatever.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree with you but whatever.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that it wasn't a shared ft...what I am saying is "there is no proof that Hulk couldn't have done that without the aid of Betty". It was stated before this incident that Hulk could lay waste to the planet and Hulk referenced it as well before doing it. Betty was just there to aid in something that was already going to happen. Then, like I've said before, the ft is much more than just planetary, much more than that. So the answer to your question is yes, he can do it without the aid of Betty.

Just as I suspected. 👆

Originally posted by Naija boy
If Hulk hit them directly? yes he would kill them. IT being a shared feat doesnt take much away because at the levels we are talking about here even providing half the strength to do that to those beings inidcates that he could oneshot any of them.

Therefore, it's a pointless feat to use in this thread. Shared feats=/=personal feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
but it's not. If Superman and Prime were trading punches, going all out, anyone without decent durability within about a mile would be killed by the impact. Just because DC doesn't want to kill half it's characters doesn't mean that they lack said power, especially knowing how hard both men can hit.

You whine about people trying to use collateral damage as a measuring stick, yet use it yourself to try to back some horrible ABC logic.

Saying Hulk knocked back "Heralds" doesn't mean nearly what you're trying to suggest it does.

Thats the issue, this isnt people without decent durability. These are people who previously had been able to take punches from the likes of WWH, Savage Hulk , (even calmer versions of WorldBreaker etc. ). If superman and superman prime were trading punches, Im sure you wouldnt expect a person like say Martian Manhunter to be killed by the impact would you? Especially knowing that you wouldnt expect Martian Manhunter to be killed even one single direct punch from Superman afterall.

Carver may not be the best debater but the underlying principle here is undeniable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Concession accepted.

I didn't concede. I haven't seen anything from a Herald or trans tier to make me believe that they are able to melt other Heralds in the vicinity during a fist scuffle.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thats the issue, this isnt people without decent durability. These are people who previously had been able to take punches from the likes of WWH, Savage Hulk , (even calmer versions of WorldBreaker etc. ). If superman and superman prime were trading punches, Im sure you wouldnt expect a person like say Martian Manhunter to be killed by the impact would you? Especially knowing that you wouldnt expect Martian Manhunter to be killed even one single direct punch from Superman afterall.

Carver may not be the best debater but the underlying principle here is undeniable.

I'm not talking about Hulk's power. I didn't read the issues, so I'm not one to judge. What I am talking about is the lowballing Carver is doing, his attempt to use ABC logic to prove a point, and his use of "collateral damage" as an excuse when in other threads he's bitched about it.

I don't even know who would win this fight, I just hate trolling.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't concede. I haven't seen anything from a Herald or trans tier to make me believe that they are able to melt other Heralds in the vicinity during a fist scuffle.

Please carver, enough excuses. Take your lowballing somewhere else.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying that Hulk couldn't beat the beings present (DD could as well, imo.) I'm just saying that if he would not have collided with the equal power of Betty, there's no way to know if the heraldz would have still been 'melted' as a collateral side effect.

Therefore, it's a pointless feat to use in this thread. Shared feats=/=personal feats.

😕 Why isn't it? We can't use other heros fighting Hulk because they were too scared. What other options do we have? The only thing we really have is him fighting someone that could survive one of his punches and that's Betty.

Savage Hulk and Doomsday are near the same strength whereas WBH was shrugging off punches from beings in that tier. His power level was pretty obvious imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not talking about Hulk's power. I didn't read the issues, so I'm not one to judge. What I am talking about is the lowballing Carver is doing, his attempt to use ABC logic to prove a point, and his use of "collateral damage" as an excuse when in other threads he's bitched about it.

I don't even know who would win this fight, I just hate trolling.

Please carver, enough excuses. Take your lowballing somewhere else.

😕

When did I lowball? I'm not saying anything against Doomsday power or Supermans either. I'm pointing out Hulks power.

Originally posted by carver9
😕

When did I lowball? I'm not saying anything against Doomsday power or Supermans either. I'm pointing out Hulks power.

You can't be ****ing serious.