Originally posted by CogitoThe difference is that Zeus has total control of his powers whereas Hulk doesn't. Zeus is certainly powerful enough that he probably COULD destroy a planet in a similar fashion, if he absolutely wanted to, but why would he? If Hulk could walk as softly as Banner he probably would but he can't. Zeus doesn't have that problem because Godhood has certain privileges. Hulk smashes, Zeus is more likely to just fry your ass. Galactus is a different issue. Why would he expend that much energy destroying a potential food source?
WBH's feats are impressive. Nobody's arguing against that. But damaging a planet by walking is hardly a comparable measure of strength.For example, I've never seen Zeus destroy a planet by walking, but I'm confident he'd beat the shit out of WBH. I've never seen Galactus destroy a planet by walking on it, but I'm also sure he'd ragestomp WBH in a HtH fight.
In the end, I feel Doomsday has a better chance for the reasons I/Galan have mentioned.
Originally posted by CogitoHulk didn't start out at World Break level in HOTM, he got there after being suitably enraged. As he has consistently throughout his career. Savage Hulk, Mindless Hulk, and War Hulk were all the most powerful versions once upon a time. No reason to believe that World Breaker is the highest level he can get to.
In the 50 year history of the Hulk, his rage fueled by a fight has never made him stronger than his Worldbreaker levels. Why are we assuming that, against Doomsday, he would just keep going up? Fights have never done that to him. It's always been another source that's ramped up his rage.
Originally posted by Cogito
^ I disagree.Both with the notion that DD doesn't have what it takes to hang with Hulk and the notion that Hulk would just keep getting stronger.
I respect your opinion though 🙂
The problem is that there is no on panel evidence to suggest that he wouldn't just keep getting stronger, and that eventually as in the case with Bi-Beast that Doomsday's punches would no longer be effective against him. I give you evidence, and although I respect your decision on the idea that you believe that Doomsday is the superior specimen, you have not really given any evidence that he is, or that he could hang with the Hulk for more than 10 solid minutes. It took maybe 2 minutes or less for the Hulk to grow to the point of not just cracking a planet, but turning it to dust, and effecting the other physical bodies around it. Not sure if you realize how immense that is, even if the feat was shared. HP Doomsday has no on panel evidence to show him creating such destruction on that scale. Now I realize that collateral damage is not the end all be all, but if a guy can punt a car into another state, province, or country, it gives you the idea that he is pretty strong right? Well what impression are you given when a guy can at the very least turn a planet into a dust cloud? A hell of a lot stronger than the car feat right?
Like i said, the Hulk has never been seen on panel to have reached his limit, so saying anything other than that holds no water. Just remember one thing. The Hulk was said to be an infinite power.
Originally posted by Stoic
The problem is that there is no on panel evidence to suggest that he wouldn't just keep getting stronger, and that eventually as in the case with Bi-Beast that Doomsday's punches would no longer be effective against him. I give you evidence, and although I respect your decision on the idea that you believe that Doomsday is the superior specimen, you have not really given any evidence that he is, or that he could hang with the Hulk for more than 10 solid minutes. It took maybe 2 minutes or less for the Hulk to grow to the point of not just cracking a planet, but turning it to dust, and effecting the other physical bodies around it. Not sure if you realize how immense that is, even if the feat was shared. HP Doomsday has no on panel evidence to show him creating such destruction on that scale. Now I realize that collateral damage is not the end all be all, but if a guy can punt a car into another state, province, or country, it gives you the idea that he is pretty strong right? Well what impression are you given when a guy can at the very least turn a planet into a dust cloud? A hell of a lot stronger than the car feat right?
But in 50 years, no fight has ever pushed Hulk past his WBH levels. So therefore I don't see why fighting Doomsday would. The factors pushing him to the next level (WWH, WBH), have been from other sources (betrayal, emotional connections, and whatnot).
I don't feel WBH would be getting any stronger/enraged by fighting Doomsday 😬
Originally posted by StoicPlease. If I had a nickel for every time someone in comics was said to have infinite power I'd be off building an Iron Man suit
Like i said, the Hulk has never been seen on panel to have reached his limit, so saying anything other than that holds no water. Just remember one thing. The Hulk was said to be an infinite power.
why are ppl impressed with wbh? so he crack the floor while walking...big deal superman moved 5 planets and sneezed a galaxy out of existence. ppl say superman is overpowered=boring and complain but when hulk gets the same treatment fans go wild=huh? what? as for bruce banner being hulks weakness am sorry but no thats ridiculous. hulk beat 90% of marvel even thor am sorry but hulk proves why marvel auction to disney smh hulk can't lose i guess=boring! also how can you keep getting madder thats just an oxymoron yes hes gamma powered but unlimited strength yeah right if its gamna he would have a meltdown and die=not unlimited strength, like godzilla smh stan lee arent you scientific. also savage hulk loss to snake. hulks boring yeah no weakness can't lose wow why even put this cheap character into threads just make him spite. atleast superman has weaknesses.
Originally posted by carver9Durability would play a huge part here. If Hulk cannot harm DD to any lasting degree, then he cannot win.
My post wasn't abiut durability though.
...And just to refresh your memory, H/P Doomsday's durability was such that he made an amped Superman look like he had human-level durability in comparison. Tack that on to DD's ability to nearly kill early-90's Darkseid (ie. the era when Darky was an absolute BEAST) with 3-4 strikes, and I still believe DD has the advantage here.
Originally posted by Hulkbuster1
why are ppl impressed with wbh? so he crack the floor while walking...big deal superman moved 5 planets and sneezed a galaxy out of existence. ppl say superman is overpowered=boring and complain but when hulk gets the same treatment fans go wild=huh? what? as for bruce banner being hulks weakness am sorry but no thats ridiculous. hulk beat 90% of marvel even thor am sorry but hulk proves why marvel auction to disney smh hulk can't lose i guess=boring! also how can you keep getting madder thats just an oxymoron yes hes gamma powered but unlimited strength yeah right if its gamna he would have a meltdown and die=not unlimited strength, like godzilla smh stan lee arent you scientific. also savage hulk loss to snake. hulks boring yeah no weakness can't lose wow why even put this cheap character into threads just make him spite. atleast superman has weaknesses.
I posted the scans for you on what WBH did...why didn't you look at the scans?
Originally posted by Galan007
Durability would play a huge part here. If Hulk cannot harm DD to any lasting degree, then he cannot win....And just to refresh your memory, H/P Doomsday's durability was such that he made an amped Superman look like he had human-level durability in comparison. Tack that on to DD's ability to nearly kill early-90's Darkseid (ie. the era when Darky was an absolute BEAST) with 3-4 strikes, and I still believe DD has the advantage here.
What advantages does he have though? WBH wasn't damaged at all by everything that was thrown his way and HP Doomsday never fought anyone as physically formidable as WBH. You can't say that Doomsday will withstand Hulks punches when he never faced anyone that could generate close to the amount of force from a single punch from WBH.
I agree, right now I can't think of a way WBH would hurt Doomsday but the same can be said about WBH. I know one thing...Doomsday will be getting tossed around and overpowered the entire match.
You're focusing solely on the collateral damage Hulk/Betty caused. Cog addressed that quite well already:
Originally posted by CogitoAt standard levels, than era Superman had tanked planetary+ explosions--yet DD utterly shit stomped him through physical means... Without destroying a single planet in the process (and Supes was amped, to boot.)
WBH's feats are impressive. Nobody's arguing against that. But damaging a planet by walking is hardly a comparable measure of strength.For example, I've never seen Zeus destroy a planet by walking, but I'm confident he'd beat the shit out of WBH. I've never seen Galactus destroy a planet by walking on it, but I'm also sure he'd ragestomp WBH in a HtH fight.
In the end, I feel Doomsday has a better chance for the reasons I/Galan have mentioned.
Sodam Yat, as a rookie GL, tanked an explosion that had the power to destroy multiple planets--yet Superboy Prime damn near killed him with fisticuffs... Without destroying a single planet in the process ( and Yat was amped wit hthe Ion power, to boot.)
Etc.
Are you starting to see why your logic in that regard is a bit skewed? Again, I'm not opposed to Hulk winning, but imo DD has the advantages... And I've yet to see a strong enough case to prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're focusing solely on the collateral damage Hulk/Betty caused. Cog addressed that quite well already:
At standard levels, than era Superman had tanked planetary+ explosions--yet DD utterly shit stomped him through physical means, without destroying a single planet in the process.Sodam Yat, as a rookie GL, tanked an explosion that had the power to destroy multiple planets... Yet Superboy Prime damn near killed him with fisticuffs, without destroying a single planet in the process.
Etc.
Are you starting to see why your logic in that regard is a bit skewed?
I'm not focusing on collateral damage though.
Umar was unable to beat the Mindless which was stated and shown on panel.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319255/Incredible_Hulks_633_014.jpg.html
Nova was unable to even damage the Mindless Ones...the same Nova that made Lord Marv-ell put up a shield because of his energy output...the same Nova that has damaged Heralds on multiple of occasions, even at a lesser power level.
That's not it...the Mindless Ones are so durable that they are able to walk around in a Neutron Star (which is above any Herald imo) for prolong amount of time with no trouble at all.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg
The heat from a single punch from Hulk was able to melt these being...a single punch Galan.
That doesn't include Armageddon, someone who is clearly top tier. That doesn't include Wendigo, someone that has matched Savage Hulk who is clearly a physical beast/high Herald of his own. That doesn't include Bi Beast, someone that outright stomped Savage Hulk and physically overpowered Thor more than once.
Fing Fang received an amp big enough that Strange along with other Hulks was unable to stop him. All of these beings melted from a backlash of power from a single hit miles away from them...melted before the planet exploded.
This is above anything Doomsday has done or will ever do.
Originally posted by carver9I could bring up the fact that a single Imperiex Probe decimated the entire JLA with extreme ease. A single Probe annihilated Zod and his forces. A single Probe stomped Maxima and ALL of Almerac. A single Probe owned Mongul and destroyed War World. Etc... Yet Doomsday was shredding through multiple Probes as though they were cheap tissue paper... With single punches, carver. I could bring that up, but I won't.
I'm not focusing on collateral damage though.Umar was unable to beat the Mindless which was stated and shown on panel.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319255/Incredible_Hulks_633_014.jpg.html
Nova was unable to even damage the Mindless Ones...the same Nova that made Lord Marv-ell put up a shield because of his energy output...the same Nova that has damaged Heralds on multiple of occasions, even at a lesser power level.
That's not it...the Mindless Ones are so durable that they are able to walk around in a Neutron Star (which is above any Herald imo) for prolong amount of time with no trouble at all.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg
The heat from a single punch from Hulk was able to melt these being...a single punch Galan.
That doesn't include Armageddon, someone who is clearly top tier. That doesn't include Wendigo, someone that has matched Savage Hulk who is clearly a physical beast/high Herald of his own. That doesn't include Bi Beast, someone that outright stomped Savage Hulk and physically overpowered Thor more than once.
Fing Fang received an amp big enough that Strange along with other Hulks was unable to stop him. All of these beings melted from a backlash of power from a single hit miles away from them...melted before the planet exploded.
This is above anything Doomsday has done or will ever do.
It seems unlikely that you'll hop off Hulk's bone long enough to look at things logically. So yeah, have a good day. 🙂
Were they of the same power as the other herald beating probles? I was under the impression the ones in space were weaker.
Also, when Supes cracked that one open in Kansas, it decimated the surrounding area, so if the ones in space were the same, Doomsday was tanking multiple explosions of that nature.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Were they of the same power as the other herald beating probles? I was under the impression the ones in space were weaker.Also, when Supes cracked that one open in Kansas, it decimated the surrounding area, so if the ones in space were the same, Doomsday was tanking multiple explosions of that nature.
They were not exploding at all when they were being killed. Every and when I say every I'm talking about EVERY probe that was killed exploded except the ones Doom and Supes fought. I always questioned that because Superman and Doomsday caught Imperiex while he was making the probes and Imperiex was just throwing probes at them to slow them down I guess...I, Carver9 don't think they were finished since again, Superman and Doomsday attacked Imperiex while he was making them.
Also, Galan would need to share the wealth since others defeated probes by themselves/single handily.
Originally posted by carver9
They were not exploding at all when they were being killed. Every and when I say every I'm talking about EVERY probe that was killed exploded except the ones Doom and Supes fought exploded. I alway questioned that because Superman and Doomsday caught Imperiex while he was making the probes and Imperiex was just throwing probes at them to slow them down I guess...I, Carver9 don't think they were finished since again, Superman and Doomsday attacked Imperiex while he was making them.Also, Galan would need to share the wealth since others defeated probes by themselves/single handily.
Who did?
Aquaman had to use the Trident of Poseidon (plus, Aquaman is trans at least :-p)
Black Lightning was amped by a nuclear tank
Hippolyta was fully armoured up, and died.
Krypto?
MAn, I need to re-read that storyline...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85It was never stated that Probes had differing power levels.
Were they of the same power as the other herald beating probles? I was under the impression the ones in space were weaker.
Once destroyed, a Probe's energy travels back to Imperiex's ship, where it is used to make yet another Probe to replace the one that was lost.
