Trading punches

Originally posted by Galan007
It was never stated that Probes had differing power levels.

Once destroyed, a Probe's energy travels back to Imperiex's ship, where it is used to make yet another Probe to replace the one that was lost.

I'm not talking about Superman...I'm talking about Wonder Woman mother who took out two probes by herself (and killed herself during the process). Yes, she had a amp but not an amp that would put her above the entire Justice League, let alone Superman or Doomsday.

Aquaman took out one...yes, he had an amp but again, not an amp to put him above the entire JLA. Diana took out one as well but the explosion (which didn't happen during the ones Doomsday took out) almost killed her.

Supergirl and Black Lightning took out one as well. I know I'm missing some people but you get the point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who did?

Aquaman had to use the Trident of Poseidon (plus, Aquaman is trans at least :-p)

Black Lightning was amped by a nuclear tank

Hippolyta was fully armoured up, and died.

Krypto?

MAn, I need to re-read that storyline...

Huh? The trident doesn't put Aquaman at trans.

Yes, Black Lightning was amped but d***, I still wouldnt put him above or equal to Surfer, let alone Nova Prime.

She was fully armored but read above.

Krypto was getting slapped around but he did stalemate it a bit.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not talking about Superman...I'm talking about Wonder Woman mother who took out two probes by herself (and killed herself during the process). Yes, she had a amp but not an amp that would put her above the entire Justice League, let alone Superman or Doomsday.

Aquaman took out one...yes, he had an amp but again, not an amp to put him above the entire JLA. Diana took out one as well but the explosion (which didn't happen during the ones Doomsday took out) almost killed her.

Supergirl and Black Lightning took out one as well. I know I'm missing some people but you get the point.

Think.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your low-balling makes me literally lol.

LOL, galan, how is that lowballing when I am telling the truth? That's like me saying that you were lowballing when you said Hulk did nothing more than just destroy a planet.

Whatever Galan...I have always respected your opinions and I respect it now so I'm done here.

I edited above.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your low-balling makes me literally lol. EVERY character (sans DD) that beat a Probe was significantly amped--yet none of them beat a Probe (let alone SEVERAL) as effortlessly as Doomsday did. He was literally one-shotting them.

Think.

'cept Superman in baller mode

Originally posted by Cogito
'cept Superman in baller mode

But yeah, Superman was bloodlusted in the truest sense of the word. He finally realized that he had to kill to win, and as such, he stopped holding back.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your low-balling makes me literally lol. EVERY character (sans DD) that beat a Probe was significantly amped--yet none of them beat a Probe (let alone SEVERAL) as effortlessly as Doomsday did. He was literally one-shotting them.

Think.

Point taken. Lol...did you really tell me to think (that's ky sh**). I will he posting scans soon of this event...need to reread it (and Galan, you don't have to post it, I got it).

Originally posted by carver9
Point taken. Lol...did you really tell me to think (that's ky sh**). I will he posting scans soon of this event...need to reread it (and Galan, you don't have to post it, I got it).

...Just so you know. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
I didn't plan on posting anything. Though if you do post scans, I expect they'll be the lowest possible showings that you can find--in which case you can expect me to post the Probes' higher-end feats in retort.

...Just so you know. 🙂

Lol...Naah, I plan on posting all of their encounters, including the high end...basically everything.

^ Tbh that seems like a silly waste of time. We have much easier ways to gauge [H/P] Doomsday's striking-power.

But whatevs...

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Tbh that seems like a silly waste of time. We have much easier ways to gauge [H/P] Doomsday's striking-power.

But whatevs...

But why are you references that Doomsday as HP anyways. Two separate Doomsdays imo. Are you arguing that Doomsday is winning this?

On the last page you made this statement:

Originally posted by carver9
This is above anything Doomsday has done or will ever do.

...Which is quite incorrect. The Imperiex Probes scene is proof enough of that.

I've already mentioned H/P Doomsday's striking feats: nearly killing early 90's Darkseid with 3-4 blows, and snapping an amped Superman's arm with a casual swat--feats I personally feel are above Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
He did keep getting stronger, he was a 1000 ft tall by the end of the story.

Hulk was amped by like 3 improved gamma bombs similar to She-Hulk, Red She-Hulk, and A-Bomb.

Omitting that detail is tantamount to lying. Also, as we saw during that scene, Hulk is far from unbeatable in close combat and he doesn't go around easily destroying planets with his punches or anything.

I see that fallacious argument going around often, I also don't understand the fixation on planet destroying that some of his fans have. Surfer and Morg probably have a better feat of that nature under their belt, so do Bill and Thor. It's not what impressed me there, personally anyways.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was amped by like 3 improved gamma bombs similar to She-Hulk, Red She-Hulk, and A-Bomb.

Omitting that detail is tantamount to lying. Also, as we saw during that scene, Hulk is far from unbeatable in close combat and he doesn't go around easily destroying planets with his punches or anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Carver is getting called out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was amped by like 3 improved gamma bombs similar to She-Hulk, Red She-Hulk, and A-Bomb.

Omitting that detail is tantamount to lying. Also, as we saw during that scene, Hulk is far from unbeatable in close combat and he doesn't go around easily destroying planets with his punches or anything.

I see that fallacious argument going around often, I also don't understand the fixation on planet destroying that some of his fans have. Surfer and Morg probably have a better feat of that nature under their belt, so do Bill and Thor. It's not what impressed me there, personally anyways.

When did I say planet busting was the be all end all and Surfer and Morg destroyed a planet in a completely different manner than Hulk and that's including Bill who traveled at light speed ramming Stardust into a planet. Be quiet before I call Philo in here to handle you...lol.

Originally posted by carver9
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Let's reverse this.

I don't see Doomsday walking forward almost cracking a planet in half. I don't see Doomsday and Superman punching each other, melting beings that walk around in neutron stars with just the shockwaves of their punches. I don't see Doomsday standing in one spot tanking punches and attacks from high class 100's and Heralds. I don't see Doomsday punching Superman in the face destroying a planet and nearby moon with just the shockwave of their hits. I sure as hell can't see Doomsday running through beings that Dormammu and Umar AND Classic Strange had issues with by using just one hand and one foot.

You're reasoning that the Mindless Ones are across their history consistently powerful is silly. And will also come back to bite you in the ass pretty hard if anyone decides to reference this post in future arguments. Don't get me wrong, what he did was cool and all, but he was going to town on them with an axe. and he was exerting noticeably less effort than he was against Arch. Apply some common sense.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're reasoning that the Mindless Ones are across their history consistently powerful is silly. And will also come back to bite you in the ass pretty hard if anyone decides to reference this post in future arguments. Don't get me wrong, what he did was cool and all, but he was going to town on them with an axe. and he was exerting noticeably less effort than he was against Arch. Apply some common sense.

And that shows you how powerful Hulk is. In this same arc that you are trying so hard to brush off, Umar was still unable to stop the Mindless Ones and again, this was stated on panel. They were recently referenced as powerful and in the same arc you are trying to downplay, they were still referenced as being capable of being unstoppable, even to a high level skyfather.

Originally posted by carver9
When did I say planet busting was the be all end all and Surfer and Morg destroyed a planet in a completely different manner than Hulk and that's including Bill who traveled at light speed ramming Stardust into a planet. Be quiet before I call Philo in here to handle you...lol.

I wasn't talking about you specifically but just skimming through this thread, it's clear that Hulk destroying that planet was an incredibly big deal and probably the main reason why you think he wins.

If by in a completely different manner you mean it was more impressive because they accomplished the feat simply by cutting loose with their raw power, then yes, I agree.

That's not what happened at all. Why are you going to lie to me about Beta Ray Bill of all people? Bill grabbed Stardust weapon and the force of him striking the blade to impale the herald destroyed the planet.

Now that I think about it, Bill destroying the planet is a lot more impressive than Hulk because he did it solo.

Hey, if you can't handle discussing facts with me and have to run to Philo, then by all means go ahead. Not my style on picking on the weak anyways.