Well, that's annoying. I just wrote a large response, and it got erased because I searched "Katy Pervy" in google and it used this tab to search it... and I was completely done in like three more sentences. 😐
Might as well take the time to revisit some things, while trying to remember what I wrote.
Time to end this charade.
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Also, the response I posted from Rols/Ambient was actually in response to Darthgoober... which Abi should have known seeing as he found Darth's response on the same page. Rols seems to have convinced Darth.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, he wouldn't do that while CIS on but it is certainly possible.
That's my whole point.
With CIS on, that shit doesn't happen. But since you seem to be a big fan of arguing CIS off for your character, I don't see why I can't play the same game.
If Thor is going into battles with power draining in his back pocket against Surfer of all people, then why wouldn't Surfer be zipping around spamming blasts... and keep in mind, that's something Surfer actually does in comics. I see you have a problem with many tactics being brought up against you, yet keep on going "well if Thor drains him..."
Do you not see the hypocrisy involved in your arguments?
Hell, a little later you say that Surfer using exotic tactics isn't the same, yet keep on the "Thor draining" path. You're not a fan of your own logic being used against you? You're not opposed to acting the same way as many Surfer fans I bet make you seeth with rage?
Keep in mind, I'm only bringing this shit up to combat your use of it. And your use of it was against me just saying they stalemate... oh wait, you're not actually saying he'll do it, but you also are...
But more on that later.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, who really cares besides carter.
I figured you would since he's one of your "favorite characters", and you're not the biggest fan of Gladiator (boy was I wrong). But you're stuck in argument mode, when all that's needed is a discussion.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool story bro, we can reach to the conclusion that he couldn't contain surfer's power AND all the power he had absorbed earlier. Obviously surfer came off looking many times powerful than gladiator.
But the overloading wasn't the only thing shown to look bad against Glads.
That being had Gladiator's power, and the Enigma Force (along with many others). The Enigma Force earlier in the series allowed Sue to beat the shit out of Gladiator, which on it's own would put it above Glads. Couple that with Gladiator's actual powers, and Surfer almost toying with said being... well, Surfer seems quite a ways above Glads.
Also, I believe that being had those powers before he had the Enigma Force (not sure on that), so if true, and if the Enigma Force increases his power IN ANY WAY, then we should be able to assume that it raised his limits to a considerable degree.
Plus there's the fact that he fought Surfer in an extended battle and still tried to absorb his powers. Which if he were anywhere close to his limits, this would be a very very stupid character.
Surfer wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back, he was the elephant that broke the camel's back... IMO at least.
I know you disagree, but I thought you'd like that since you know, "favorite character", and "Superman knockoff" and all... but what do I know?
Not saying the absorbing thing is a fact, but him fighting the being with all those powers was however.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point? Was he shown to be in the pain before and after the fight?
My point spoke for itself. Was he shown hindered before the fight?
I understand he was in pain, but that pain wasn't shown once to hinder him in battle. Especially when you look in all things involving Thor feats. He never stopped mid battle and went "ahh, my ****ing side", or "I would find this easier had I not been in such pain", and many such things along those lines. Thor never attributed the pain to a lack of being able to accomplish anything. He was never stated he be weakened, or any of the like. He was just stated to be hurt. Does that mean his battle prowess was down, or that he was in pain?
There's also the adrenaline excuse but I'm not sure that flies in the comic world.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are talking about the guy who wrote "Odin headbutt".
That's irrelevant to what happened in the Demogorge scene. He didn't take Demogorge head on, he attacked his heart while he was inside of him. Yes he killed a powerful being, but he did it by attacking it's weakpoint while it had no way to defend itself. Does that make it a be all end all feat? No.
I think we've already had this discussion about Sun Eaters and PC characters. Thor would have never been able to accomplish this from outside of Demogorge, or away from his ****ing heart. You know, the small organ that's very vital to anyone with a heart, and evidently vital to Demogorge too.
And I'm having a problem seeing Demogorge in that scene as an Eternity level being as well.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, that's cool with me. All I am saying is that Thor was injured and most likely wasn't at 100% power. Yeah, that was quite impressive for surfer, I'm not denying that.
If Thor wasn't 100% than Fraction is going to need to up the ante when he shows him utilizing his full power. I mean, when his best feat is him supposedly being injured... not only injured but he outperformed his 70's self when his 70's self also cheapshotted a Galactus, yet that Galactus was weakened, and his 70's self was at full power. Color me dubious.
And no, I'm not saying he wasn't in pain, but I see no reason his power was decreased because of this pain, especially when his feats in the series were that impressive.
If he wasn't at 100%, he sure as hell seemed close in power. Hell, if he wasn't 100% then Fraction Thor is most likely the most powerful Thor, minus King or Rune King. Him not being at 100% in that series would have been 120 in most others.
Which like I said, is a good basis for a powerup from Surfer's Annihilation escapades. Thor was written high, and it'd be hard to see Surfer matching this in raw power mind you, without some sort of powerup (as opposed to just the suspension of disbelief).
Originally posted by abhilegend
One UBER PIS scene doesn't invalidates everything in that series. BP was using a machine that drained surfer in the past and it drained him there too. What's wrong with that scene if the exact same thing has happened before.Yeah, if only we go to "DURRRRR, armbarrrr" route and declare everything PIS in that series. I mean batman survived punches from a bloodlusted superman in sacrifice which is even bigger PIS than armbar situation, I should call his fight with wonder woman PIS. You are amazing bieb.
One pis scene? In two issues he managed to show that Storm can rip apart Stardust easily, Storm can make Surfer reel from an attack while acknowledging he flies through suns, Johnny can knock Surfer off the board, Johnny can eat a board to the face, Black Panther can take a cheapshot from Stardust that's a constant blast and not be KO'ed, Gravity can hurt Galactus, Gravity can fill up Galactus, Stardust has to worry about two small event horizons when she's previous made one of the more impressive black holes we've seen in comics, Storm is fine after being shot in the back from Surfer, etc.
It wasn't just one stupid part of the series, and if you think that you must not have read the series. And if you think it was just one stupid moment, then you must think you're arguing with Carter here (which I'll get to later).
Doom got the drop on Surfer and grabbed him from behind. Black Panther complete drained Surfer from absorbing one three panel blast... apparently a couple second blast is Surfer's full power. Does that sound right to you?
Surfer's entire power source can be drained by one quick blast through one hand. The easiest time Surfer's ever been drained is when even you admitted he was "restored" in power.
Oh yes, because Batman hasn't been on the positive side of what some would call "PIS". Some might call that PIS, I call that an average.
Plus, many people call that Wonder Woman fight PIS anyway... what with the super hearing, and him being bloodlusted, and WW winning, and whatnot is what the kids are saying.
Could you have picked a worse example? Doubtful.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he is. Otherwise I wouldn've read almost every appearance of him.
Or you just read all his issues so you could pick out low feats... don't worry, I've done that before.
From reading all of his series, you sure found a lot of low feats. My question to you however, is why haven't you posted any decent feats at all? Why do I not see you in threads defending him from a character "you don't like" ever? Why do I always see you arguing against him?
At some point in time you have to realize this looks suspicious if you keep claiming you don't hate him.
I mean, it's exactly like Carter (except better written) claiming he loves Thor yet he shits all over him in every thread. Is that what you want to be known as? Carterlegend
