Here's another important point in trying to sell the Justice League movie.
What do all the Avengers in the movie have in common? - No secret identities.
Some of them don't even try to have it; Captain America may wear a helmet/mask out of tradition and for protection but his history is well known to the public at large and by major intelligence organizations. It's a major intelligence agency that brings them together to begin with. It gives it a greater feeling of plausibility, these characters working together having this air of identity openness. This is who they are, not what they do in their separate time from a daily job.
You go back to the X-Men movies too; they may have code names and live in a protected compound, but no secret identities.
Are they going to duplicate that with Justice League, where the vast majority of the heroes wants to live a separate life concealed from the government? They would have to change that part drastically I think, for the movie-going public to suspend disbelief. Is Amanda Waller going to become another version of Nick Fury?
And whatever the big threat is, if it's not written to be organically part of the film series as a whole - which is how Loki & his army evolved in the Avengers series - then you'll just come up with something over the top & lame, like how Parallax turned out last year in Green Lantern.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERMany people see Liam Neeson as the highlight of Begins, though. Myself included. I also thought Begins was boring as shit.
[B]^ I disagree. Batman Begins focused solely on Bruce Wayne/Batman and that movie was on par to TDK IMHO.
Yes Bale is replaceable but my point of using him is to capitalize on the success of Nolan's Batman series, not because Bale can not be replaced.That might make sense from a marketing perspective, sure. The problem is that both Bale's Bruce Wayne and Nolan's Batman have no place within a JLA movie. As mentioned before, Bale-Wayne doesn't have the charisma to stand out in an ensamble cast film (and he's not mean enough, either. JLA Batman has a very powerful, confident and threatening presence, I.E. being able to cow people like the Flash into submission by just glaring at them, Bale's Bruce is gloomy and sulky and has puppy-dog eyes), and Nolan's hyper-realistic Batman has no place amongst people like the Flash, Green Lantern and Superman. In order for it to look at all feasible for Batman to be a contributing member of the team he has to show his super-genius intellect and his super-genius gadgets, both of which are things Nolan has deliberately shied away from in his movies.
Originally posted by roughrider
Here's another important point in trying to sell the Justice League movie.What do all the Avengers in the movie have in common? - No secret identities.
Some of them don't even try to have it; Captain America may wear a helmet/mask out of tradition and for protection but his history is well known to the public at large and by major intelligence organizations. It's a major intelligence agency that brings them together to begin with. It gives it a greater feeling of plausibility, these characters working together having this air of identity openness. This is who they are, not what they do in their separate time from a daily job.
If you remember in the animated JL/JLU they just kind of avoided the whole secret identity part.
It was only a few very rare moments in the whole series when you would see them in their secret identity forms.
And it worked. It was a great show.
Originally posted by roughrider
And whatever the big threat is, if it's not written to be organically part of the film series as a whole - which is how Loki & his army evolved in the Avengers series - then you'll just come up with something over the top & lame, like how Parallax turned out last year in Green Lantern.
The script and story is of course the important thing to get right.
But I don't think it was Parallax that let GL down. It was the script, character(and how he was portrayed by RR), the stupid use of his powers(creating a race car track to save a helicopter), the love story, and pretty much the whole story on Earth.
Originally posted by roughrider
Well if the JL movie is ever going to get made, it's going to have more in line with the realistic universe of Christopher Nolan's Batman, rather than be over the top cheese like Green Lantern was.
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I liked the way Smallville incorporated all the JL heroes into the same world.
It was mainly about alien threats and corrupt/powerful men.
And we had their opposite in the heroes, Kal and MM the good aliens, whilst GL was the Lex Opposite.
If JLA's atmosphere was similar to Nolan's films, Superman would use a jetpack instead of being able to fly, Wonder Woman would be an ex-Isreali Defense Force spec. Ops with B-Cups and no ass, the Flash would be an Aussie-accented mercenary who uses guns and demolitions and takes drugs that give him peak human reflexes inatead of having superspeed, Aqua Man would be a Submarine Commander and ex-navy seal, Batman will be a slightly above average detective with lots of money to spend on military prototype technology, Green Lantern would be Iron Man and Martian Manhunter wouldn't exist because he'd "detract from the realism". Lex Luthor would be the villain, played by a bald Joseph Gordon Levitt.
What I'm basically saying is that you can't make a JLA movie with Nolanesque atmosphere. The JLA, by nature of their abilities, are cheesy as hell. A JLA movie would be similar to Avengers. If they want it to be gritty, the best they'd be able to do is make it like Watchmen.
^ Roughrider said MORE in line with the Nolanesque Universe, and no where near as cheesy as GL.
And that's what I gave a thumbs up to.
No one's talking of changing their powers or saying they're not aliens.
The fact is the main threat and half the heroes would be super powered aliens anyway.
I liked the way JLU progressed with the conspiracies and propaganda the JLU was fighting. Yes that's proabably more Watchmen like.
Edit- I thought Watchmen was frigging awsome!
I prefer the movies ending anyway. Psychic space squid was dumb as hell. Why would the world band together to fight something that died as soon as it appeared? Doc Manhatten is just a better deterant.
And a JLU movie just wouldn't work if it was anything like the Nolanverse imo. You can make it serious and mature, but realistic is off the table.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
And the majority of the JLA characters are not renown for how relatable they are, like many of the Marvel characters are, regardless of what the comics show. If you need to read Wonder Woman comics to know that Wonder Woman has relatable traits, then she for all intents and purposes doesn't have any.
But that's not really a problem. The movies can show that these characters are relatable, afterall most of the heroes in the Marvel cinematic universe were unknown to the general public.
I have no idea what people find so hard about making a Wonder Woman movie. They already made a ****ing WW origin movie and it was great.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I have no idea what people find so hard about making a Wonder Woman movie. They already made a ****ing WW origin movie and it was great.
I don't know why they just can't use the same script writers for Live-Action movies that they do for the Animated ones!
WW was great, so was GL (animated one).
And JLU was a great series.
Really don't understand why movie makers think similar scripts wouldn't work on the Big Screen.
The GL movie (which they altered for the big screen) flopped. I'm betting if they used the story that was used for the animated version instead it would have been a hell of a lot better.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I have no idea what people find so hard about making a Wonder Woman movie. They already made a ****ing WW origin movie and it was great.
Everytime they get close they get cold feet and back off, because they don't see any female lead good enough to bring in the hundreds of millions in revenue needed to make the film the tentpole they want. Not Angelina Jolie (Tomb Raider didn't last very long), not Megan Fox, and they certainly don't feel right trusting it to an unknown lead.
Joss Whedon was contracted to make the movie, and after he left discussed what he felt was a great lack of enthusiasm for it by studio execs.
Joel Silver keeps buying the rights for the movie because he won't let anyone else make it - but he hasn't made it either. He had the rights to Green Lantern for many years before he finally gave it up.
And don't overlook the significance of Christopher Nolan as a producer on Man Of Steel. Might be the reason they pushed the release back six months, so he can have his influence on it after completing The Dark Knight Rises. Just as he gave us what was like the 'Ultimate Universe' version of Batman, he's likely been trusted to carry that over to Superman as a possible springboard to Justice League.
Just like Marvel's Ultimates was an influence on how The Avengers was made.
It's amazing to me that people actually think that you can make a live action movie, designed to be played in a theater and viewed by millions, in the same way that you can make a comic book or a direct-to-dvd cartoon.
I don't think you guys really understand the mindset of the average non-comic book nerd, I.E., the people who actually matter to the movie creators.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's amazing to me that people actually think that you can make a live action movie, designed to be played in a theater and viewed by millions, in the same way that you can make a comic book or a direct-to-dvd cartoon.I don't think you guys really understand the mindset of the average non-comic book nerd, I.E., the people who actually matter to the movie creators.
DC animations have always been popular. And I doubt that was just down to us comic book nerds watching it.
Also after the massive success of Avengers on the big screen I'm thinking the gap between what's entertaining for comic book nerds and what's entertaining for the general audience is probably smaller than we would think.
Originally posted by jaden101
Love or hate Joss Whedon, Love or hate the Avengers. All I give a shit about is that it gives him enough power to get Firefly on the go again. Capt Reynolds beasts Capt Yank.
This. FTW. And yes I say bring back the series too.
I'd suffer a time travel, parallel universey explanation of things just to get Wash and Shepard back too.
Or maybe if they didnt leave it too long, they could set it before Serenity.
And the way the FX have come on in the TV industry, it would most likely look like a big budget movie anyways...
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
DC animations have always been popular. And I doubt that was just down to us comic book nerds watching it.Also after the massive success of Avengers on the big screen I'm thinking the gap between what's entertaining for comic book nerds and what's entertaining for the general audience is probably smaller than we would think.
Developing a story for live action TV or animated TV is much different than doing feature films. If the transition was so easy, more DC characters would have made the jump by now.
And now the challenge has become greater, because of Marvel Studios. Creating a shared universe where Superman and Batman et al. actually work together and need each other. The solo Superman films have long used Christian parallels to his origin by making him a modern day savior of Earth. They would have to tone that down or eliminate it completely.