I understand the need to change/add/subtract some things, but what I'm saying is if they took the feature length first episode of JL and made it into a live-action movie with Bale as Batman and Welling/Caville as Superman.
Just add/alter to the dialogue/script. Make the alien invasion on a much larger scale.
Is there any reason why it wouldn't work??
(Except for the fact that it's already been done as an animation)
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I understand the need to change/add/subtract some things, but what I'm saying is if they took the feature length first episode of JL and made it into a live-action movie with Bale as Batman and Welling/Caville as Superman.Just add/alter to the dialogue/script. Make the alien invasion on a much larger scale.
Is there any reason why it wouldn't work??
(Except for the fact that it's already been done as an animation)
It's TV. You put Smallville on the big screen and it still looks and feels like TV.
Well it's their TV shows that have been working.
They've made big alterations on the big screen (GL and Superman Returns) which obviously has not worked at all.
I really think if they just made a JL movie with a good story and director it would work, as long as they have Supes/Bats leading the way, so have actors people recognize in those 2 main roles like Bale, Welling.
And keep Ryan Reynolds well away from GL!
So basically Joss Whedon said WB will have a more difficult time making a successful JLA? I think pretty much every one in the industry agrees with that. If you called up the President of WB and got him talk candidly off the record, he'd tell you the same damn thing. Joss didn't say they couldn't WB couldn't do it, he simply said it will be a more difficult task than it was Marvel, and he's right about that.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]IT should be any more difficult for WB to do it then Marvel if they did it in the same way.
Only real difficulty would be with legal issues with the big characters.Well that and being able to pull of a Wonder Woman character visually.
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Except they didn't do it the same way, and as a result they now have to navigate around the ruins of their failed projects and the cultural perception they created, while they attempt to establish a working JLA property in the shadow of the Avengers which got out first and was hugely successful. Hence... more difficult.
Outside of the court case with the Shusters, DC / WB doesn't really have any legal issues to worry about regarding their characters. Unlike Marvel the movie rights of all their characters are under the WB banner.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Bale as Batman would be complete shit in a JLA movie. I don't think people realize that Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne has zero charisma or on-screen presence what-so-ever. He's not even the star of his own movies; his villains are. Bale would be forgotten every time he doesn't have the mask on compared to the rest of the cast.And furthermore, I think it's important to realize that 99.99999% of the planet doesn't read comics. Ergo, the only thing those people know about the characters are what they're inconic for. Aquaman is iconic as "that useless team-mate on the JLA". Sorry, but that's just the reality. And the majority of the JLA characters are not renown for how relatable they are, like many of the Marvel characters are, regardless of what the comics show. If you need to read Wonder Woman comics to know that Wonder Woman has relatable traits, then she for all intents and purposes doesn't have any.
Doesn't mean you can't make them that way in a movie.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's amazing to me that people actually think that you can make a live action movie, designed to be played in a theater and viewed by millions, in the same way that you can make a comic book or a direct-to-dvd cartoon.I don't think you guys really understand the mindset of the average non-comic book nerd, I.E., the people who actually matter to the movie creators.
They did it with Avengers.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Or they could just ,Oh I don't know.. START OVER!?
Who says they have to use the mythos of the movies they have already used?Pull your head out of Whedon's bung hole some time and get some air.
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that's a bit excessive.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Or they could just ,Oh I don't know.. START OVER!?
Who says they have to use the mythos of the movies they have already used?Pull your head out of Whedon's bung hole some time and get some air.
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How does starting over from scratch solve any thing I just mentioned? They still have the negative perception of their failed projects in the minds of the movie going audience, and Avengers still beat them to the punch. Washing their hands of their failures and saying "We are starting again!" doesn't automatically win them back the good faith of the audience (see Batman Begins / Incredible Hulk / X-Men First Class)
Whedon said DC has a harder job ahead of them then Marvel did... and he's right. That isn't Whedon fanservice, it's about as close to an objective fact as you can get. I don't see how anyone who isn't a mindless fanboy just looking for a nerdrage outlet could possibly disagree with that statement. Grow up and objectively consider the matter for a moment, if you can't see that WB will have a more difficult time establishing the JLA as a viable movie property than Marvel, then you are an idiot.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The problem is that it's WB in the first place.
True. Disney let Marvel studios develop their own movie properties, I can only imagine if the minds behind Tron / Prince of Persia / Jon Carter and the last three Pirates movies decided to meddle in Marvel's business... we'd be looking at some Green Lantern level trash.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
True. Disney let Marvel studios develop their own movie properties, I can only imagine if the minds behind Tron / Prince of Persia / Jon Carter and the last three Pirates movies decided to meddle in Marvel's business... we'd be looking at some Green Lantern level trash.
Pretty much. Geoff Johns likes to say he was involved with it in a big way, but the disparity in quality between comics and movies makes me wonder. A person could argue about the different mediums and that, but a good story is a good story either way.
Which the movie was not.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Geoff Johns likes to say he was involved with it in a big way, but the disparity in quality between comics and movies makes me wonder. A person could argue about the different mediums and that, but a good story is a good story either way.
Exactly. I see no reason why a JL movie would not work providing it's given a good story like the comics and even the animated series always gave us.
On top capitalize on the success of Nolan's Batman, and use a recognized Superman (Maybe Caville in a couple of years, right now it could only be Welling) and I see no reason why it wouldn't be as huge as Avengers.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Exactly. I see no reason why a JL movie would not work providing it's given a good story like the comics and even the animated series always gave us.On top capitalize on the success of Nolan's Batman, and use a recognized Superman (Maybe Caville in a couple of years, right now it could only be Welling) and I see no reason why it wouldn't be as huge as Avengers.
Welling can piss off, tbh.
I don't think Nolan's Batman would really work, either. When Batman is with the Justice League he's operating at a level of greatness that Nolan's bruce has never touched on, imo.
Honestly, the JLA cartoon from a few years back, or even the most recent animated movie, are the best examples of how a JLA story can work on a big scale.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How does starting over from scratch solve any thing I just mentioned? They still have the negative perception of their failed projects in the minds of the movie going audience, and Avengers still beat them to the punch. Washing their hands of their failures and saying "We are starting again!" doesn't automatically win them back the good faith of the audience (see Batman Begins / Incredible Hulk / X-Men First Class)Whedon said DC has a harder job ahead of them then Marvel did... and he's right. That isn't Whedon fanservice, it's about as close to an objective fact as you can get. I don't see how anyone who isn't a mindless fanboy just looking for a nerdrage outlet could possibly disagree with that statement. Grow up and objectively consider the matter for a moment, if you can't see that WB will have a more difficult time establishing the JLA as a viable movie property than Marvel, then you are an idiot.
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I think this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
So what your saying is that since WB has already made a Superman/Batman/GL movie 2 of which were not good. The Average Movie goer won't be able to understand a new mythos if WB went ahead and made new movies of the same characters?
The only real problem WB would have is if they rush some half assed rush job out in a year or two to try and cash in.
Even tho I DO DISAGREE WITH WHEDON"s COMMENTS I still liked the Avengers movie.
Originally posted by -Pr-This I agree with.Honestly, the JLA cartoon from a few years back, or even the most recent animated movie, are the best examples of how a JLA story can work on a big scale. [/B]
Originally posted by -Pr-
Welling can piss off, tbh.I don't think Nolan's Batman would really work, either. When Batman is with the Justice League he's operating at a level of greatness that Nolan's bruce has never touched on, imo.
I mean they can add to the character when he comes in JL, but the point is I think they should Capitalize of it's success, just live Avengers really capitalized on Iron Man's success.
As for Welling, well the fact is he is the most recognized Superman actor at the moment.
And I know many people (including many girls) who always wanted to see Smallville on the big screen. So as far as my small market research goes, it would work.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, the JLA cartoon from a few years back, or even the most recent animated movie, are the best examples of how a JLA story can work on a big scale.
Oh yeah definitely! I don't get how DC cartoons are so great, but then they mess up so bad on the big screen.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
😆I think this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
So what your saying is that since WB has already made a Superman/Batman/GL movie 2 of which were not good. The Average Movie goer won't be able to understand a new mythos if WB went ahead and made new movies of the same characters?
The only real problem WB would have is if they rush some half assed rush job out in a year or two to try and cash in.
Even tho I DO DISAGREE WITH WHEDON"s COMMENTS I still liked the Avengers movie.This I agree with.
I don't think you understand what kettle calling the pot black, means. You are the only one nerd raging, and you are nerd raging over a little nothing inauspicious quote that everyone other than you seems to agree with.
Cultural perception. Bad movies leave a bad taste in the mouths of movie goers and make them less likely to see the next movie tied to that property. It has nothing to do with people "understanding" a new mythos is being established, it has to do with the studio losing the good faith of their audience, and that the audience being less trusting and less willing to support said property with ticket sales. Which puts WB in a more difficult place than Marvel, because other than Batman all of their current movie prospects are in a Hulk situation.
Half the problem is coming up with the right, plausible story to have a JL movie. The other half of the problem would be DC's willingness to tailor or change their characters if necessary in the name of making a team building series. They need to look at Marvel and note what they stayed true to, and what was changed in the course of making a smooth narrative. Not all the characters origins are completely respected, in the name of making the cumulative film.