Originally posted by Q99
Marek. Opress would've never been able to do as well against Vader as Galen did.
To be perfectly honest, with the exception of Yoda, I don't see anyone, who doesn't wield Force Lightning, not having a tough time against Opress.
He's just too strong. Physically and in Raw Tk power. And though he lacks skill in using the force, he is a trained warrior. Ventress did pick the best from a warrior like clan.
Edit- Crap, double posted.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Opress would have to take Sabers at least. He disarmed Obi-Wan in a few strikes. Last I remember everyone was putting Obi-Wan above Marek in Sabers.And he's obviously no slouch in the Force either.
Edit- Marek will stomp him with Force Lightning though.
ABC syllogisms aren't going to cut it if you want to top that.
Originally posted by Zampanó
I'm not ok with this. Marek has Juyo (which makes him a "high-level master of multiple forms"😉.ABC syllogisms aren't going to cut it if you want to top that.
Well you must of completely missed Q99's very vague and completely baseless ABC logic then:
Originally posted by Q99
Marek. Opress would've never been able to do as well against Vader as Galen did.
Well let's up the game then shall we.
Opress has defeated Obi-Wan and Ventress (individually) in Saber combat. He's also at one point put Count Dooku on the floor in Saber combat.
And has managed to hold his own against the Anakin/Obi-Wan duo (seemingly forcing them both on the defensive).
Ok, you have the High end master of multiple forms but IIRC nothing stated Galen was a Master of Juyo itself.
And people seem to forget Savage is a highly trained and talented warrior himself.
Ventress chose the best from a warrior clan. He also wields a Double Bladed weapon which according to Shadow Hunter, you must already be a Master Combatant to wield.
So how does Galen's Saber Prowess compare again? Oh yes the High-End master of multiple forms.
His great technical skill which was not good enough to soundly defeat Shaaki Ti. An opponent who in all likelihood is not a match for Obi-Wan or Ventress.
Edit- Also Zampano ABC arguments can be used to an extent. If Savage barely beat Obi-Wan by the skin of his teeth, then it would probably be a baseless argument.
However the extreme ease and speed in which he defeated Obi-Wan clearly puts him a good tier above the Master of Soresu in Saber combat. So Galen would simply have to prove that he is also in that tier to compete.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Opress's success in lightsaber combat owes less to technical skill than it does to raw strength of both the physical and metaphysical variety. That may not yield the same result with Marek.
Well whatever the reason for his Lightsaber prowess, so far it's worked against Obi-Wan, Ventress, the Obi/Ani duo, and even against Dooku at one point.
Also Opress lacks skill in the force. He doesn't lack warrior skills. He was the best chosen by Ventress from a warrior clan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Indeed. Marek has already dealt with an opponent of extreme strength in Vader
An Old out of shape Obi-Wan also contended against Vader's stength. However a young Obi-Wan could not contend with Savage's strength.
Remember Vader's strength in combat will be mainly physical. And he lacks mobility.
Whilst Savage had great physical and force enhanced strength at his disposal. And he does not lack the mobility that Machine Vader naturally lacks.
Originally posted by Nephthys
can swing AT-ST cannons around like baseball bats. And considering Marek's lightsaber skills were described as 'near perfect' in the in-game glossery, he has an considerable edge in that area.
Surely though if Marek had strength comparable to Savage he would have disarmed Shaak Ti as easily as Savage disarmed Obi-Wan??
Also I must keep stressing, Savage lacks skill in the force, not skills as a combatant.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
An Old out of shape Obi-Wan also contended against Vader's stength. However a young Obi-Wan could not contend with Savage's strength.Remember Vader's strength in combat will be mainly physical. And he lacks mobility.
Whilst Savage had great physical and force enhanced strength at his disposal. And he does not lack the mobility that Machine Vader naturally lacks.
So? A Force-users true strength comes from the Force. Do you have proof that Ben Kenobi was weaker than Obi-Wan?
And when exactly have we seen Opress use more agility than Vader? We are discussing physical strength here. This is the passage I am referencing:
'He thought he was ready-and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise.
A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off his guard. For a moment, it worked.'
Again I point out that Marek can swing cannon's around like wiffelbats, something Savage has not shown in terms of physical strength. And yet Vader is described here as being Mareks physical superior, and yet Marek was able to adjust and counter his blows. Strength will not be enough to defeat him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Surely though if Marek had strength comparable to Savage he would have disarmed Shaak Ti as easily as Savage disarmed Obi-Wan??Also I must keep stressing, Savage lacks skill in the force, not skills as a combatant.
Why?
Which is why he's so clumsy that he fell over in a duel just because he missed his opponent?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Lucien said "Swinging like Ray Charles at the plate". Close.
No, it was Neb who said the Boo Radley one.