Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
No, Kreia said that there's no defense beyond being a Force wound. I'm going to need something a little more concrete.
Relax. I admire your debating skill - you have proven to be an extremely skilled and formidable debator.
And from a logitistical point of view, you were right about the Dark Reaper.
Only Canon stands as a barrier to your logic - which does make sense.
I have underestimated you, and I was wrong for it.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Not unless there's a canonical source that explicitly confirms it.
I think you've stalemated me in our argument about the Dark Reaper.
Logic states it should grant immunity to Nihilus's drain, and it would - if Star Wars made any sense.
Regardless, if you're ready, I'd like to unveil the real way Palpatine can destroy Nihilus.
Here's the thing - you know about Nihilus - the fact that he's energy bonded to armor, can rip warships out of Mass Shadows with TK, kill off entire planets within seconds - etc.
He's obviously a very powerful opponant, and probably in most respects, has the most brute force in an attack.
In the debates, I thought about scenarios where he was attacked, and knew that his Giga-drain could basically leech out and and stun/kill pretty much all attackers instantly.
It's almost unfair to put him in any versus match - except - any opponant can be beaten.
The key to Nihilus's strength here, is that any opponant that tries to fight fire-with-fire here will lose. Attacking Nihilus with any offensive Force power in an attempt to beat-out his Giga-drain will result in death every time.
They key is to not fight his fight - instead of using offensive force - you defeat him using defensive force.
Nihilus's only perceivable weakness noticed by me thus far, is that when he attacks at close range, like Kreia, he fires his Giga-beam in a straight-line. Making it a linear attack, only.
This means, accrording to what we've seen, at close range he cannot attack around objects, but rather toward them.
This is important.
Palpatine I've noticed, has an ability called Force Wormhole.
From what I understand, it is not an instantaneous ability - but it doesn't have to be.
As you know, this ability uses the Force to peel back layers in time and space to create a hole that leads somewhere else in space, ala another planetary location, ship, etc.
Palpy can't use it to grab an entire ship instantly as it forms, or even a person - but if he can open it to at least the height and breadth of his body - then when Nihilus fires his beam to om nom the others/Palpy, then the Giga-drain will go into wormhole, in front of Palpatine.
Only the edges of the wormhole should contain Force energy - the middle being the displaced time/space fabric.
Now, even if Nihilus's drain starts to eat at the edges of the wormhole as it forms - it protects Palpatine from the drain for the moment, and if Palpatine forms it quickly enough and moves it into Nihilus, then Nihilus can be swallowed into the time/space hole and then transported - into a star.
Nihilus is powerful - but even he can't survive in the new place Palpatine will deposit him into.
At least though - Nihilus will get what he wants - he's in a star so perhaps as he dies, his Hunger will be sated - and in some small way, he will achieve a measure of momentary peace.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
This defies canon policy and everything we're told about from LFL officials, from Leland Chee to Chris Cerasi to Sue Rostini. Lucas is supreme over both worlds; the fact that he elects not to exercise this authority regularly doesn't mean it isn't there. He says emphatically that the prequels represents the "Golden Age of Jedi" and the films refer to lightsaber combat, Force use, and martial skills as "the Jedi arts" (per Qui-Gon).
So in other words, even though I provided a very clear and thorough logical argument as to why GL's word can't be binding in terms of our logical evaluations of EU characters in comparison with G-canon characters (although clearly GL's word is paramount within the strict frame of his own "world" which he can police utterly) -- you're going to throw that out and hide behind absolute statements and vague LFL canon policy (which has already been found to be contradictory) simply because...
Wait, I get it. If the PT Jedi aren't badass, and the TOR era are, then you'd be forced to admit Sidious' victory over them and their grand master wasn't as grand, and that people like Malak and Revan are more entitled to prestige than previously thought.
On that note, I fully understand your bias and refusal to see reason.
SM
So in other words, even though I provided a very clear and thorough logical argument as to why GL's word can't be binding in terms of our logical evaluations of EU characters in comparison with G-canon characters (although clearly GL's word is paramount within the strict frame of his own "world" which he can police utterly) -- you're going to throw that out and hide behind absolute statements and vague LFL canon policy (which has already been found to be contradictory) simply because...
In other words, you're not George Lucas, Leland Chee, Sue Rostini, or anyone of significance when it comes to determining what is and what is not canon. The canon umbrella under which all the continuity falls places paramount importance on those things George Lucas is the closest associated {G- and T-canon}. Lucas has pulled rank on the EU on plenty of occasions and they obey. Lucas and the EU aren't equals, aren't independent. Lucas is supreme, the EU is subordinate. It's inarguable, it's incontrovertible, it's reality. The fact that he chooses not to exercise that power regularly doesn't mean it's not there.
SM
Wait, I get it. If the PT Jedi aren't badass, and the TOR era are, then you'd be forced to admit Sidious' victory over them and their grand master wasn't as grand, and that people like Malak and Revan are more entitled to prestige than previously thought.On that note, I fully understand your bias and refusal to see reason.
You've been b1tching and moaning about bias and refusal to see reason and dishonesty for months, taking shots left and right either here or at ROK. Here's another dose of reality for you: Merriam-Webster defines bias as "an inclination of temperament or outlook; especially: a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment: prejudice."
A review of your post history as either Janus or Stealth Moose reveals {shockingly} that you've always been predisposed towards anything that came from TOTJ or KotOR, from Ragnos to Revan. You've never argued to the contrary, you've never changed your stance, you've remained exactly the same since your very first days here.
That you lack the balls and brains to indulge in any modicum of self-awareness shouldn't surprise me, but it does. If you want to talk bias, grow a pair. If you want to debate, quit complaining about bias when your hard on for anything in Star Wars prior to Episode I is as subtle as Beefy's homophobia.
1. DS isn't all that bad, considering
2. Janus hasn't done anything to deserve a blindside like that; you're escalating far too quickly
3. tj would be able to say more, but hasn't Lucas disavowed everything in the EU? Two or three iterations of Ush's rampage ago, it came up that under the official canon policy, the EU is not actually canon at all.
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1. DS isn't all that bad, considering
Considering what?
Zampanó
2. Janus hasn't done anything to deserve a blindside like that; you're escalating far too quickly
Blindside? wut
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3. tj would be able to say more, but hasn't Lucas disavowed everything in the EU? Two or three iterations of Ush's rampage ago, it came up that under the official canon policy, the EU is not actually canon at all.
No, Janus's point is well made: Lucas actively polices his world and not the EU. What Janus neglects to mention is the fact that Lucas is ultimately supreme over both.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Considering what?
he's remarkably couth, given his uncouth rep
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Blindside? wut
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
No, Janus's point is well made: Lucas actively polices his world and not the EU. What Janus neglects to mention is the fact that Lucas is ultimately supreme over both.