I would also like to formally and publicly retract my insinuation that Janus is a moron, with a sincere personal apology for my harshness in that respect. Though I disagree with him often, he is an intelligent man and one of my most enjoyable adversaries.*
The balls comment, on the other hand, continues to stand.
And I am smarter.
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*when he is not accusing me of bias all the damn time with no regard to his own which offends me to no end
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This did not happen in the book, it is just a fan art. Luke does not kill with the Force directly, nor would he inflict suffering using the Force on someone. He strictly preferred killing with lightsaber as it caused swift and less torturous death. The only darkside power he used in dark nest is Force choke on Welk, when his lightsaber was drained. But he quickly amended and stopped as it was against his morals and preferred risk his life by facing Welk weaponless.
In one of the earlier books he stated that killing with Force directly is the worse thing Jedi could commit and that it degrades personality.
As for killing Slayer. At that point he was experiencing state of Oneness with the Force giving him uncommon boost of power. In desperate attempt to save Jacen he gave out all of that energy offensively into that Slayer. Which makes sense, why Vong died instantly. Although, lightning was produced by lightside energy in its purest form, it still brought him perilously close to darkside as he essentially abused the miracle given by the Force and killed directly with the Force, which is utterly against his believes. And as the result his state of Oneness was gone and Shimra quickly wrapped snake around him.
My opinion is that he is not capable to produce this lightning in normal circumstances. And even if he could, he would never use it for moral reasons.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Nihilus can nom hundreds and thousands of people, simultaneously and it only takes the beam a second to lock on and stun, especially in close-range.The Sith might live long enough to realize they're going to die - but that's about as far as they get before Nihilus eats them. Like it or not.
Nihilus isn't faster than them, though. That's enough time to kill him.
Originally posted by Q99
Nihilus isn't faster than them, though. That's enough time to kill him.
Again, he's an unknown in terms of Canon lightsaber combat.
We don't know if he's faster than them - but his Giga-drain is. 😉
So again, they have enough time to say to cursing before they die, but that's about it.
- The bigger question is, when Palpatine releases a wormhole on Nihilus and some of the Sith Lords attacking him, inevitably get sucked in as well, what happens to Palpatine?
Do they attack the Sith Lord while he's preoccupied and stab him? Can he survive?
Force wormhole storm will not kill Nihilus. It will destory his armour, maybe, but it is only nihilus's araereness that is tied to his armour, not his life. A wormhole cannot kill a spirit, but it can maybe teleport it, but point is, even if it kills his armour, niihlus will just leave it and p[robably go on to take over the body of darth malak.
Plus, why would sidious do it when revan can just do it back at him, like he did the rakatans on Lehon? And who do you thi nk Revan learnt it from, if not from the very master of Nihilus? So you cna be willing to ebt that Nihilus would have taught it to Atris as well.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
I would also like to formally and publicly retract my insinuation that Janus is a moron, with a sincere personal apology for my harshness in that respect. Though I disagree with him often, he is an intelligent man and one of my most enjoyable adversaries.*The balls comment, on the other hand, continues to stand.
And I am smarter.
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*when he is not accusing me of bias all the damn time with no regard to his own which offends me to no end
1. My point still stands. GL, by his own admission, disavows the title of Sherriff of EU, both because he cannot possibly police it and because he decided mostly not to do so. He's given us the idea of two different "worlds" or versions of the SW galaxy; a continuity including EU is necessarily not GL's domain. No amount of Leeland Chee doublespeak will override that. If GL is the foremost authority and what is and isn't his domain, then other stuff is just filler to comfort movie-centric fans (who are the overwhelming majority) into buying EU material to pad LFL's pocketbooks.
2. Not even remotely offended. You'd have to try harder.
Pretty sure that's not the first time you heard that either.
Stealth Moose
1. My point still stands. GL, by his own admission, disavows the title of Sherriff of EU, both because he cannot possibly police it and because he decided mostly not to do so. He's given us the idea of two different "worlds" or versions of the SW galaxy; a continuity including EU is necessarily not GL's domain.
Your point doesn't stand when it attempts to completely circumvent the canon hierarchy, which is a vertically designed structure with Lucas-affiliated projects on top and everything else beneath.
That Lucas elects not to actively police the EU does not mean that it operates independent of his wishes, that it is beyond his reach, and that what he says has no applicability to it. There exists a long, vivid history of the EU bending to Lucas's will and adapting to his pronouncements:
[list][*]Timothy Zahn was forced to create Joruus C'baoth when Lucas vetoed the idea of a cloned Obi-Wan
[*]Tom Veitch had to scrap the idea of a cloned Vader in favor of a cloned Sidious per Lucas's demands
[*]The writers of the New Jedi Order were instructed to kill Anakin Solo on Lucas's orders, despite the fact that the original intent was to make him a leading figure in the EU
[*]Karen Traviss resigned after The Clone Wars retconned a substantial bulk of previously accepted Mandalorian culture in accordance with Lucas's designs
[*]R.A. Salvatore killed Chewbacca because he was among the few people Lucas didn't declare was off-limits
[*]Lucas retconned the EU backstory for General Grievous and Asajj Ventress[/list]
Stealth Moose
No amount of Leeland Chee doublespeak will override that.
No amount of posturing on your part will change the fact that you're not the arbiter of what is and what is not canon.
Stealth Moose
If GL is the foremost authority and what is and isn't his domain, then other stuff is just filler to comfort movie-centric fans (who are the overwhelming majority) into buying EU material to pad LFL's pocketbooks.
Lucas's marketing savvy and whorish tendencies with his intellectual property is nothing new, so I'd say this is pretty damn accurate.
Stealth Moose
2. Not even remotely offended. You'd have to try harder.Pretty sure that's not the first time you heard that either.
The scent of your womanly tears arouses me.
Again, he's an unknown in terms of Canon lightsaber combat.
We don't know if he's faster than them - but his Giga-drain is.
Gigadrain is several seconds. Plenty of time for lightsaber throws.
It's a fast move, but it's not the fastest move.
The writers of the New Jedi Order were instructed to kill Anakin Solo on Lucas's orders, despite the fact that the original intent was to make him a leading figure in the EU
Wasn't it simply they swapped Jacen's and Anakin's roles? I.e. Jacen dies, Anakin goes dark side, and Lucas vetoed it because, really, another Anakin falling?
(What the NJO writers *should've* done is scrapped the plot instead of swapping people around)
I believe, per the post-NJO interview included in the paperback version of The Unifying Force, that Lucas ordered Anakin's death. But Wookieepedia corroborates what you're saying:
"During the planning stage of The New Jedi Order series, Anakin was to be the main hero who would eventually take up Luke's role as the leader of the Jedi Order. But the proposal was rejected by George Lucas, who felt that Anakin's trajectory followed his namesake's plotline in the prequels too closely; thus, creating confusion. As a result, the roles of Anakin and Jacen were reversed, which included the death later scheduled in Star by Star."
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Force wormhole storm will not kill Nihilus. It will destory his armour, maybe, but it is only nihilus's araereness that is tied to his armour, not his life. A wormhole cannot kill a spirit, but it can maybe teleport it, but point is, even if it kills his armour, niihlus will just leave it and p[robably go on to take over the body of darth malak.Plus, why would sidious do it when revan can just do it back at him, like he did the rakatans on Lehon? And who do you thi nk Revan learnt it from, if not from the very master of Nihilus? So you cna be willing to ebt that Nihilus would have taught it to Atris as well.
I see no reason why Force Wormhole wouldn't destroy Nihilus.
There's always the chance that if Nihilus were to actively try to avoid the Wormhole while launching the Giga-draining, that he could attack from another angle quickly and still kill Palpy and co. - however, that would be out of character for Nihilus.
When he started to feed, he would likely make the mistake of seeing the Wormhole as another Force snack - and get sucked in, leading quite literally, to his death.
As for your other comment, Palpatine and Nihilus both seem to share the ability of Transfer Essence, however I've noticed this power can only assimilate Passive targets (I.E. Targets that can not erect a defense) ala unborn Anakin Solo, Palpy's Clones and Nihilus's inanimate-armor.
So, if Nihilus decided to abandon his "body" in the fight and jump into another Sith Lord - that wouldn't work.
Like it or not, Nihilus stands there and gets taken by Palpy's Wormhole - and takes a trip into a star.
Originally posted by Q99
Gigadrain is several seconds. Plenty of time for lightsaber throws.It's a fast move, but it's not the fastest move.
Giga-Drain-stun is instantanious, so they're screwed there.
Even if he didn't use Giga-drain on them, he could always block their lightsaber throws with a Force shield, or multi-ton TK barrier, anyway.
So damned if they do, damned if they don't. 🙂
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Giga-Drain-stun is instantanious, so they're screwed there.
Didn't the video show it take a couple seconds?
Even if he didn't use Giga-drain on them, he could always block their lightsaber throws with a Force shield, or multi-ton TK barrier, anyway.
And if he's doing that, he's not giga draining.
And some of 'em will throw, some do force lightning or so on. No one can defend against all those attacks at once.
Originally posted by Q99
Didn't the video show it take a couple seconds?
Death takes a couple seconds. The stun-effect is instantanious.
Originally posted by Q99
And if he's doing that, he's not giga draining.And some of 'em will throw, some do force lightning or so on. No one can defend against all those attacks at once.
Nihilus probably could.
Anyway, he'll just Giga-drain them to death.
I suppose the newcomer, Stealthmoose and co. are all right - Nihilus does kill all takers.
Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
[b]It's like you think Sidious would outright instantly resort to using a technique he could barely control. [/B]
Well, I was under the assumption that he could control the Wormhole technique because he used it to bring Luke and R2 light-years to where he was, almost instantly.
The fact that he could deploy the furious power around a person, leaving them unharmed, despite the maelstrom, gave me reason to think he could deploy it in front of himself at close range, and likely at short notice.
I know he can't do hardly jack with the Force Storm variant, though.